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Tommy's Top 10 Super Middleweights In History.

Posted 05-11-2008 at 11:24 PM by TommyGunn
Updated 05-12-2008 at 01:15 PM by TommyGunn
[SIZE="3"][B]#1 Joe Calzaghe - W45 (32) - 0[/B][/SIZE]
Like the middleweight division there is only one fighter who should be considered for the number one spot. Calzaghe has defended his title no less than 21 times and became the first ever undisputed champion at the weight.

[SIZE="3"][B]#2 Nigel Benn - W42 (35) - L5 - D1[/B][/SIZE]
The dark destroyer took on all comers and never ducked a fight in his life. Benn transformed himself from an all out attaking fighter in to a more poised and relaxed fighter which made him so great. Benn while still green fought and lost to both Eubank and Watson at middleweight giving both there hardest ever fights in there own admission. He then went onto draw with Eubank which was very disputed because it looked to most like Benn clearly won, and then he sealed his legacy with a win over Highly regarded Gerald McCellan.

[SIZE="3"][B]#3 Chris Eubank - W45 (23) - L5 - D2[/B][/SIZE]
Chris Eubank AKA simply the best is just pipped to second by Nigel Benn. Eubank had an excellant reign at 168 drawing with Benn at that time and also inflicting the first defeat on the classy and future champion Graciano Rocchigiani. Eubank also got his second win against Watson at 168 in an ill faited evening when Watsons career ended and almost his life, Eubank also had great wins over Wharton and Close.

[SIZE="3"][B]#4 Steve Collins - W36 (21) - 3[/B][/SIZE]
Collins is probably the toughest of the 168 fighters ever, his chin was granite and his will to win was incredible. He beat Chris Eubank on two occassions although Eubank was not quite at the peak of his career and he also beat Nigel Benn on two seperate occassions who was also past his best. Both were still rated as top 168 fighters, Eubank was #1 at the time Collins beat him.

[SIZE="4"][B]#5 James Toney - W70 (43) - L6 - D3[/B][/SIZE]
Toney is a former IBF strap holder at 168 and a classy boxer with an excellant chin. His notable wins at 168 were Iran Barkley and Doug DeWitt.

[SIZE="3"][B]#6 Sven Ottke - W34 (6) L0[/B][/SIZE]
He gets in on paper, nuff said about him.

[SIZE="3"][B]#7 Sugar Boy Malinga - W44 (19) - L13 [/B][/SIZE]
Malinga was a tough SOB who in his career fought every top 168 fighter around. He fought the likes of Roy Jones Jr, Chris Eubank and Nigel benn losing to these guys while primed. He fought Benn a few years later while Benn was past his best and managed to win the WBC title.

[SIZE="3"][B]#8 In-Chul Baek - W47 (43) - L3 [/B][/SIZE]
This is a fighter ive never seen in the ring but im adding him because of his record on paper and what ive heard about him. Before Pacman this guy was rated as the best Asian fighter in history.

[SIZE="3"][B]#9 Mikkel Kessler - W39 (29) - L1[/B][/SIZE]
Kessler is a fighter who will easily shoot up the list over the next few years, he curently has one of the best jabs in the sport and is a concusive puncher with both hands. His right hand is his biggest weapon.

[SIZE="3"][B]#10 Markus Beyer - W35 (KO 13) - L3 - D1 [/B][/SIZE]
Beyer makes it onto the top 10 for being a 2 time former champion at 168, he holds wins over Richie Woodhall, Danny Green and Omar Sheika. He lost his title in a superfight against the briliant Mikkel Kessler by 3rd round stoppage but has won his return bout.
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It looks a very good list Tommy. I want to say Benn as number 1, but I can't no matter how much I try

I honestly believe that a prime Benn is one of the few fighters in history who would have beaten a prime Calzaghe, but that is speculation on my part and not a good enough reason to put Benn as number one...sadly.

In my view you certainly have the number one and two correct and I think you have got the right order and position when it comes to Eubank and Collins as well.

I know it might sound strange but I would put Gerald Mclellan in the top ten simply for his singular fight at the weight against Benn and I would put him in at 5. He was a stunning boxer and puncher with a granite chin and iron will and he came closer to beating Benn at his absolute best than just about anyone else was likely to do. Plus we know from his middleweight record and his punching power at 168 that had he of beaten Benn, he probably would have been very dominant in the division. I don’t see any of your listed guys below James Toney that would have given Benn that fight and I don’t see any of them beating the G-man. I think he would have battered Roy Jones if he ever had the chance to have fought him; massive credit for Benn for taking him on and for the G-man for going for Benn.

Frankie Liles would have been number 6 for me, he was another guy who beat Roy Jones in the amateurs and another guy that Jones happened to not fight. He was a pain in the ass awkward southpaw who beat Michael Nunn. He was WBA champion for 5 years and had a record of 32 (19 via K.O) 3 loss and zero draws.

I think Roy Jones would have to come in at number 7 simply for the fact that he beat James Toney and didn’t lose his IBF strap, even if subsequent defenses were of a very poor standard.

I would put Toney in at 8.

I would put Michael Nunn in the top ten at number 9, brilliant and awful in equal measure, but on his day his power, speed and technical ability were right up there. I would also put Roy Jones in the top ten despite his refusal to take on the best.

Kessler would be at number 10 for me, simply for his achievements so far and th fact that his one loss only comes against Calzaghe. He has the chance to go places and further up the list…

An honorable mention IMHO should go to;

Robin Reid who won out in Italy against a decent champion, who is one of the only people that at least one judge awarded a decision to over Joe Calzaghe. He lost to Lacy when past it and that was the first time in his career he was even put down.

Tommy Hearns and Sugar Ray Leonard as they were quality at 168 towards the tail end of their careers.

A sad note is to mention Michael Watson who of course finished at middleweight, but who would surely have gone up to 168 with Benn and Eubank, a fighter who IMHO would have been a future great at 168.

The guys you have mentioned in your list from below 6 with the exception of Kessler have their credentials, but for me despite decent records they didn’t do enough in terms of beating anyone of significance (unless I have missed a trick?) and for me wouldn’t make my list. Roy Jones only makes my list for one reason and that is for beating James Toney as his record after that at 168 is pathetic fodder.

Good list though Tommy, really good.

Mine then was;

1 Joe Calzaghe
2 Nigel Benn
3 Chris Eubank
4 Steve Collins
5 Gerald Mclellan
6 Frankie Liles
7 Roy Jones
8 James Toney
9 Michael Nunn
10 Mikkel Kessler
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Posted 05-13-2008 at 11:19 AM by calzaghefella calzaghefella is offline
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I could agree with that CF but the only reason i never put Roy in was he will be on my 175 list and i dont like to have one fighter in two weight classes. :)

I rate Liles, Nunn and G-man as 160 guys, but i wont argue if anyone wants them at 168 because of course they all fought there.

Pretty good list you got there too man.
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Posted 05-13-2008 at 11:29 AM by TommyGunn TommyGunn is offline
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Ah fair point mate, I've never been too arsed about fighters in multiple lists, so I was bound to think a bit different. Very good list though, especially where it counts at the top.

I hope Kessler can reign at 168 as I like the guy, plus it would be good to eventually see him Vs Pavlik at 168.
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Posted 05-13-2008 at 02:56 PM by calzaghefella calzaghefella is offline
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I hope we get to see Kessler vs Taylor at 168, i'll never grow tired of watching JT get punk'd. LOL!
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Posted 05-13-2008 at 03:55 PM by TommyGunn TommyGunn is offline
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another great list tommy, there is no disputing calzaghe, benn but i would have placed steve collins above eubank, as he beat Eubank as you sed when Eubank was past his best but he wasn't completely shot, although i agree with putting benn above collins.

i think you've given toney a bit too much credit, he was a good boxer but i never rated him that much,

again another great list.
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Posted 05-14-2008 at 09:31 AM by Kozie Kozie is offline
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Good post Kozie.

I might also be putting Toney too high and consequently Jones. Maybe Sven Ottke and Robin Reid should be in ahead of them?

As for Eubank and Collins, you could keep swaping them around all night long and you couldn't get more than a piece of paper between the two, so I am quite happy if the order is switched...either way.
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Posted 06-06-2008 at 10:53 AM by calzaghefella calzaghefella is offline
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I think Andre Ward needs to be in the top10 of this pathetic division now, the winner of the super6 will easily be no.1 by the end of it, worst division in boxing historically easily
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Posted 01-13-2010 at 07:57 AM by R_9-Ronaldo R_9-Ronaldo is offline
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Carl Froch has a better resume than Ward and he still dont make my list.
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