[Hendrix]

pac had problems with the bodyshots from marquez.cottos he will take for a while,but then "This is the end my friend"
tribute to the doors

[blaze3050]

Originally Posted by Bigblock

I think if he beats Mosley, Mayweather, and Williams at 147 then there might be a case for it. I think the GOAT label is thrown around a bit too much now days.

Williams is a bit to tall for a bunch of fighters now imagine haow tall he will be against pac.

[Bigblock]

Originally Posted by blaze3050

Williams is a bit to tall for a bunch of fighters now imagine hall tall he will be against pac.

All the more reason it would be impressive IF Pac beat him.

[Tsentralnaya]

Originally Posted by Bigblock

Ray fought straight up. Pac and his crew look for every advantage or way to cripple the competition. Pac needs to fight people at their best or his victories are hollow and questionable. Someone like Paul Williams has the attitude to be considered one of the best of modern fighters.

:facepalm: Because people just aren't the same when they are three lbs lighter? I know there are probably more examples than something like that, but come on. Unless there is a significant advantage no one has any business talking about advantages at all. Fights are negotiated. Pac and his crew negotiate. If the other side thinks the advantage is too large they don't have to sign. People gotta stop with the excuses.

I also don't think Pac gets enough credit for beating Morales the second time. I don't think he was past it. I think Pac became significantly more skilled. In the trilogy you can see a marked improvement in Pacquiao. I'm not so sure about the third beating, but I think Morales was just as good in the second fight as he was in the first. PAcquiao was just better.

Sort of unfair to compare Pacquiao to Robinson anyway. The times are so different.

[Bigblock]

Originally Posted by Tsentralnaya

:facepalm: Because people just aren't the same when they are three lbs lighter? I know there are probably more examples than something like that, but come on. Unless there is a significant advantage no one has any business talking about advantages at all. Fights are negotiated. Pac and his crew negotiate. If the other side thinks the advantage is too large they don't have to sign. People gotta stop with the excuses.


Sort of unfair to compare Pacquiao to Robinson anyway. The times are so different.

If three pounds doesn't matter then why ask for a catch weight? By the way its not the actual weight number that affects the fighter its what they have to go through to meet it. When you are in great shape losing a couple pounds off a frame with very little fat isn't easy and usually not healthy.

[Meltdown50]

Originally Posted by Bigblock

If three pounds doesn't matter then why ask for a catch weight? By the way its not the actual weight number that affects the fighter its what they have to go through to meet it. When you are in great shape losing a couple pounds off a frame with very little fat isn't easy and usually not healthy.

Exactly. Taking 3 pound off your frame... is probably easy. Taking 3 pounds off a fighter that has already sweat down 20 pounds is another thing. 3 pounds off of a body with limit body fat can be very bad.

Example: at 150 oscar looked ok. at 147 he looked dead.

[boxer71]

Originally Posted by Balistik

Floyd would dominate Pacquiao but he wouldn't stop him IMO. Mosley would knock Pac out.

Exactly how i see it mate.

[LeedsLad]

Originally Posted by blaze3050

Your right about Ray Robinson my apologies but in a certain way you are making Pacs wins like he really didnt beat anybody thats messed up to me he beat Morales fair and square the thing is that people say he was over the hill and he was only 30 years old i personally think Pac won because he was improving on certain things same goes with Barrera with the exception of the second fight and for De la hoya i think they was both in disadvantage because P Pac went up in weight from 135lb to 147lb and Pac never fought at that weight until he fought D De la hoya .

Ray Robinson >>> Pacquiao BY FAR even if you want to give him credit for beating past-prime/shot versions of Morales/De La Hoya.

Originally Posted by Hendrix

pac had problems with the bodyshots from marquez.cottos he will take for a while,but then "This is the end my friend"
tribute to the doors

Yeah Pac fans are going to come crashing back down to earth real soon, just not sure Cotto is the man to do it, if it isn't him its going to be Mayweather/Mosley after.

Originally Posted by Tsentralnaya

I also don't think Pac gets enough credit for beating Morales the second time. I don't think he was past it. I think Pac became significantly more skilled. In the trilogy you can see a marked improvement in Pacquiao. I'm not so sure about the third beating, but I think Morales was just as good in the second fight as he was in the first. PAcquiao was just better.

Morales was done man, just accept that. Had he fought Pac for the second time straight after the first, arguments could be made, but the fact that Zahir Raheem beat Morales wide on the scorecards confirms he was done. He was also killing himself to make 130, he wanted the fight at LW but Pac wouldn't budge...

[Obama]

Originally Posted by Meltdown50

Exactly. Taking 3 pound off your frame... is probably easy. Taking 3 pounds off a fighter that has already sweat down 20 pounds is another thing. 3 pounds off of a body with limit body fat can be very bad.

Example: at 150 oscar looked ok. at 147 he looked dead.

That was more because at 150 he rehydrated. At 147 he didn't. The fight night weight difference was prolly 10 lbs.

[Obama]

Originally Posted by Tsentralnaya

I also don't think Pac gets enough credit for beating Morales the second time. I don't think he was past it. I think Pac became significantly more skilled. In the trilogy you can see a marked improvement in Pacquiao. I'm not so sure about the third beating, but I think Morales was just as good in the second fight as he was in the first. PAcquiao was just better.

This is because you're new to boxing and don't know what a prime Morales was capable of doing. I'd suggest watching the guy fight when he was in his 20s. He was already past it when he beat Pac. But the fight itself took the last bit of greatness out of him, ala the 12th round. Both Pac and him took transition fights leading up to their 2nd meeting. Pac ran over his opponent, Morales got clowned. He lost a fight which Ring Magazine deemed the upset of the year. Morales was done. Pac didn't get better, he had the same problems in the 2nd fight that he had in the first, difference being Morales was no longer a 12 round fighter. As for the 3rd fight. I won't even waste my time. The word "shot" comes to mind.