[bill1234]

Originally Posted by BigDave330

Couldnt of said it better myself Bill.But Pac never wobbled Oscar he jus twas old and skinny.This is exactly why one of the first signs is the legs after he takes a punch.The reason I mention Dawson is he I saw him take shots from Pascal and not wobble but Ward whos not a big puncher and hurt his hand in his previous fight was able to shake Dawsons foundation.The legs! Thats your core that you work off of I would guess. But if they do end up making a fight at 150 I would loose respect for Martinez.Hes still has time. But to be honest I dont think Floyd is intrested in fighing him. BUT I said the same about him never fighting Cotto. Hes just trying for the money now. **** that. Floyd is filled out to be a pretty big welterweight. He fought Oscar.Baldomir was basicly a 154 also.Weight in at 150 vs Cotto. Took on Cotto with no problems so I cant see why this fight CANT be made at 154 or if there is a catchweight then 156-57 would be fair. Its Martinez who needs to lose the weight not Floyd.Canello vs Martinez would ne nice at 160.Time for that boy to move up now.But not sure if Oscar can stomach his guy getting tatooed up.

A Mayweather-Canelo fight wouldn't surprise me in the least for Cinco De Mayo weekend 2013. Canelo is a huge draw, so the money would not be an issue.

[BigDave330]

Originally Posted by bill1234

A Mayweather-Canelo fight wouldn't surprise me in the least for Cinco De Mayo weekend 2013. Canelo is a huge draw, so the money would not be an issue.

Thats basicly a in house fight for Golden Boy.If they put Guerrero in with Floyd i'm not watching any GBP cards anymore. I also said back in 2007 that Mayweather would never face Mosley.

[BigDave330]

Originally Posted by bill1234

A Mayweather-Canelo fight wouldn't surprise me in the least for Cinco De Mayo weekend 2013. Canelo is a huge draw, so the money would not be an issue.

Where Dawson "couldnt" against Ward Oscar "could of" finished the 12 rounds against Pacman but I dont know what his face would look like after that. Something like Margaritos maybe? In the 6th or 7th round Larry Merchant commented "Death By 1000 Left Hands". If you look that term up its a type of torture used in south east asian countrys like China.The person gets stabbed,whipped or stoned 1000 times or until dead.

[BigDave330]

Originally Posted by bill1234

A Mayweather-Canelo fight wouldn't surprise me in the least for Cinco De Mayo weekend 2013. Canelo is a huge draw, so the money would not be an issue.

Floyd has looked his strongest when he weighs in at 150-151 pounds like when he faced Oscar and Cotto he was hitting hard in the late rounds.He has the same reach or longer than many middleweights.This is why a catchweight fight with Martinez at tha tweight is a 100% benefit for Floyd.He comes in just normal where as Sergio has to work harder and will have less to give in the ring. I notice Floyd always does that.By round 8 he starts to throw harder.From round 5-12 he hands should be totaly numb if Xylocaine which is 100% legal in the state of Nevada comes in patch,liquid rub and injections is available If its given in a patch form appllied right before they wrap the hands.During rounds 6-9 the drug is in full effect he will feel nothing and then will start to wear off as the fight ends.For the people who say that Floyd doesnt use that stuff well I say, if its legal and to your benefit, why not use it? I would guess its a safety precaution due to his many hand injurys and is a smart gameplan when you are in that place. Gatti had horrible hands also.SO did Winky I heard at one time.That why he never musterd huge shots. Everything was evenflow.

[bill1234]

Originally Posted by BigDave330

Floyd has looked his strongest when he weighs in at 150-151 pounds like when he faced Oscar and Cotto he was hitting hard in the late rounds.He has the same reach or longer than many middleweights.This is why a catchweight fight with Martinez at tha tweight is a 100% benefit for Floyd.He comes in just normal where as Sergio has to work harder and will have less to give in the ring. I notice Floyd always does that.By round 8 he starts to throw harder.From round 5-12 he hands should be totaly numb if Xylocaine which is 100% legal in the state of Nevada comes in patch,liquid rub and injections is available If its given in a patch form appllied right before they wrap the hands.During rounds 6-9 the drug is in full effect he will feel nothing and then will start to wear off as the fight ends.For the people who say that Floyd doesnt use that stuff well I say, if its legal and to your benefit, why not use it? I would guess its a safety precaution due to his many hand injurys and is a smart gameplan when you are in that place. Gatti had horrible hands also.SO did Winky I heard at one time.That why he never musterd huge shots. Everything was evenflow.

Most guys who have britlle hands tend to not be hard punchers. Not because they are not capable of punching hard, but it's a matter of choice to preserve their hands.

Guys like Mayweather, Malignaggi, and Winky had brittle hands, which is why they only really sat down on their punches when they had to or absolutely knew the punch would land and do damage. This why their hand problems sort of fizzled out a bit later on. They learned how to deal with it and know their hand limits more.

Guys like Gatti, Morrison, and Holmes also had brittle hands, but they'd go out and never pull punches, thus resulting in all 3 of them breaking their hands in several fights.

[miguel]

Originally Posted by miguel

Once again, Cotto weighed 145, not 144! He had weighed 146 in 2 previous welterweight bouts and weighed 146 against Mosley. Cotto was the WELTERWEIGHT champion when he fought Pacquiao, he had never fought at 154 when he fought Pacquiao.

Against Pacquiao, a WELTERWEIGHT bout, there was a 145 catchweight, which was his official weight. Cotto usually weighed in at 146 in several welterweight bouts including his most famous win over Shane Mosley.

The 145 catchweight imposed by Pacquiao is without doubt the most pointless condition he has imposed because Cotto lost only 1 pound from a weight he normally comes in at but it unfortunately gives people like you freedom to make illogical comments in favour of Mayweather. Cotto would have got creamed if he weighed 146 or 147.

Cotto made his mark against Shane Mosley, his official weight 146 for that fight. At welterweight he also beat Judah, Mosley, Clottey. That was Miguel Cotto at his best. That was the Miguel Cotto that Mayweather ducked by "retiring". He then took a huge beating from Margarito, perhaps illegitimately so this may have made him battle weary.

A 154 Cotto beat average nobodies like Yuri Foreman and Mayorga, it was an easy title to win and a way of moving away from a Pacquiao/Mayweather dominated division. A 154 Cotto is now in his 30s having already taken not one but two huge career beatings from Margarito and Pacquiao - battle weary to say the least. He was clearly heading for trouble against Margarito at 154 - he was clearly starting to run more and take more punishment until Margarito's Pacquiao-punched eye saved him.

Then he fought Mayweather and didn't throw a punch until round 6. Yeah, the 154 Cotto has sure been impressive

The bull from Mayweather fans is truly laughable!

Originally Posted by bill1234

While I agree that Cotto was a tougher foe when he fought Floyd than when he fought Pac, he wasn't exactly useless when he fought Pac. His confidence could've been higher and he likely wasn't fully recovered from his wars with Margarito (beaten with plaster to add to it) and Clottey, but he still was one of the top fighters around. The catch weight was complete BS and will forever tarnish the win for Pac though.

At 154 Cotto looked strong and good against Yuri, Ricardo, and Antonio, but he still wasn't the Cotto that went to war with Mosley. Cotto's new trainer seems to have done a good job with him and giving Floyd a good fight proved it. At 154, Cotto was stronger against Mayweather than he was against Pacquiao. Both are top of the line wins for Pac and Floyd.

Yawn I hate to say I told you so. This Cotto who fought Mayweather is shot, he is nit the same as the 27 year old 147 version...but of course all you Mayweather fanboys have to differ to paint him in a good light. Mayweather picked a shot fighter who gave him the fight in the first 5 rounds looking like a deer stuck in the headlights...he's shown everything I said was right, against trout he looked slow and easy to hit...

It puts Mayweathers performance into a lot of perspective...no wonder he's running from Pacquiao and is now looking at a joke fight with Guerrero

[Colzo]

Originally Posted by miguel

Yawn I hate to say I told you so. This Cotto who fought Mayweather is shot, he is nit the same as the 27 year old 147 version...but of course all you Mayweather fanboys have to differ to paint him in a good light. Mayweather picked a shot fighter who gave him the fight in the first 5 rounds looking like a deer stuck in the headlights...he's shown everything I said was right, against trout he looked slow and easy to hit...

It puts Mayweathers performance into a lot of perspective...no wonder he's running from Pacquiao and is now looking at a joke fight with Guerrero

The Cotto that fought Mayweather fought the fight off his life and Mayweather won it easy trout is a good fighter cotto done what he could but couldnt win it you cant take anything away from the guy I dont see how you can make out that cotto lost due to how bad of a fighter he is and not how good of a fighter trout is.

As for a Mayweather v Pac fight both men are not what they used to be Mayweather is slowing and pac hasnt scored a ko from 2009 and lost his last fight and should have lost the fight before than then hes going to struggle and prob lose to JMM ( Pac will prob get the win weather he losses or not he always does v JMM )

Why is Mayweather v Guerrero a joke fight hes the number one WBC contender just after a good WW win and has won titles in a few weights

[eco7077]

Originally Posted by Colzo

The Cotto that fought Mayweather fought the fight off his life and Mayweather won it easy trout is a good fighter cotto done what he could but couldnt win it you cant take anything away from the guy I dont see how you can make out that cotto lost due to how bad of a fighter he is and not how good of a fighter trout is.

As for a Mayweather v Pac fight both men are not what they used to be Mayweather is slowing and pac hasnt scored a ko from 2009 and lost his last fight and should have lost the fight before than then hes going to struggle and prob lose to JMM ( Pac will prob get the win weather he losses or not he always does v JMM )

Why is Mayweather v Guerrero a joke fight hes the number one WBC contender just after a good WW win and has won titles in a few weights

both Gayweather and Pac can go shoot themselves but Pac did not loose the fight against Big Head Bradley

[bill1234]

Originally Posted by miguel

Yawn I hate to say I told you so. This Cotto who fought Mayweather is shot, he is nit the same as the 27 year old 147 version...but of course all you Mayweather fanboys have to differ to paint him in a good light. Mayweather picked a shot fighter who gave him the fight in the first 5 rounds looking like a deer stuck in the headlights...he's shown everything I said was right, against trout he looked slow and easy to hit...

It puts Mayweathers performance into a lot of perspective...no wonder he's running from Pacquiao and is now looking at a joke fight with Guerrero

Nobody was claiming Cotto was prime against Mayweather. People were saying (correctly, at that) that Miguel had filled out in 154 and was looking good and strong.

Cotto fought his heart against Mayweather and was still clearly beaten.

If you're going to criticize Mayweather for fighting Cotto, who wasn't at his best, you should be giving Pac a wave of crap for fighting Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez (3rd fight).

Margarito was blown out by Mosley in January 2009, got banned for a year, came back and looked subpar in a comeback fight, then somehow was deserving of fighting Pac.

Mosley had looked terrible in all of his fights after Margarito, and had not won a fight in two and a half years when Pac fought him. Mayweather completely dominated him in 2010, Mora took him to a draw in late 2010, then somehow that propelled him to fighting Pac.

Marquez was steadily fighting well at 140 but showing signs of decline and got decked by Katisidis and was forced into a war with him. Then he had the KO over Ramos, which was a dive if I've ever seen one.

But you know, only Mayweather goes around cherry picking.

[miguel]

Originally Posted by colzo

The Cotto that fought Mayweather fought the fight off his life

LOL LOL just stop please...the Cotto who didn't throw a punch for 5-6 rounds. No point replying to this.

Nobody was claiming Cotto was prime against Mayweather. People were saying (correctly, at that) that Miguel had filled out in 154 and was looking good and strong.

Cotto fought his heart against Mayweather and was still clearly beaten.

If you're going to criticize Mayweather for fighting Cotto, who wasn't at his best, you should be giving Pac a wave of crap for fighting Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez (3rd fight).

Margarito was blown out by Mosley in January 2009, got banned for a year, came back and looked subpar in a comeback fight, then somehow was deserving of fighting Pac.

Mosley had looked terrible in all of his fights after Margarito, and had not won a fight in two and a half years when Pac fought him. Mayweather completely dominated him in 2010, Mora took him to a draw in late 2010, then somehow that propelled him to fighting Pac.

Marquez was steadily fighting well at 140 but showing signs of decline and got decked by Katisidis and was forced into a war with him. Then he had the KO over Ramos, which was a dive if I've ever seen one.

But you know, only Mayweather goes around cherry picking.

You bringing up Pacquiao is not even the point here. Interesting that you do bring him up. The point was people like yourself were going on about how this is the best Miguel Cotto facing Mayweather, how much better he is now than at 147 - we can go back to the posts to dig them out. My point was the fight was a cherry pick, Cotto was shot after his beatings by Marg and Pac. That's the point, not that Mayweather cherry picks generally, but that Cotto was shot already despite you guys bigging him up.

But interesting that your response is to bring up Pacquiao when I did not mention Pacquiao at all in this

Fact is Cotto is a natural welterweight who is too lazy to make weight now. HE saw easy paydays at 154, and yet still insists on some opponents at light-mid fighting at 150 (Margarito) - yet funnily enough he won't fight Pacquiao at 150. He is not a light middleweight as I said all along and it's been shown beyond doubt as he was handled with ease by Trout and failed to cause any damage.

If Cotto can't be bothered doing what all boxers have to do and make weight at 147 he should just retire because he's just not big enough at 154. Chavez has to drain himself senseless to make weight, yet still managed to muster enough to KO the best MW around after being schooled for 11 rounds...

As for Pacquiao you're criticising him, because Pacquiao, more of a natural LW than WW, fought a guy who probably weighed 20lb more than him on fight night because "he took a year off" and didn't look that good in a fight

funny you mention Marquez, the guy who Mayweather fought, making him come up 2 weights, agreeing to a catchweight, and then coming 2lb over that catchweight...at least him and Pacquiao had a history and Marquez had already fought at that weight. Not to mention both fighters are naturally the same size....