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Old 11-06-2012, 12:13 PM   #31 (permalink)
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He wasn't even the in top 5 heavyweights never mind the top 5 ever in the ring lmao. Ali Louis Holmes Lewis bowe Liston foreman Tyson Holyfield kbros you think a 5ft 10-190 pounder with crude boxing would beat most a them? That's only to name a few Marciano is at the low end of a top 20 list his best wins are over two light heavyweights and an old joe Louis. Walcott was a decent fighter but not a great one by any means
Walcott was a great fighter. Crude boxing skills? Did you ever watch him fight?
Crude boxing skills wouldn't have won against Louis ans Walcott. LMAO!

The Louis and Walcott of that time would beat anybody today except Vitali .
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:43 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Walcott was a great fighter. Crude boxing skills? Did you ever watch him fight?
Crude boxing skills wouldn't have won against Louis ans Walcott. LMAO!

The Louis and Walcott of that time would beat anybody today except Vitali .
Yes Of course I have seen him fight this isn't UFC this is boxing and marcianos boxing skills are crude... Louis of 1950 was finished and fighting for the taxman and Walcott was a good heavyweight never a great one being great means there is something special what was special about jersey joe?
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:49 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Louis, Walcott, Charles, LaStarza, and Moore all said the same about Marciano's skills. All praised his skills after they fought and said that a lot of it is deceptive and many of skills are definitely present, but hard to notice on film because they're subtle. Close examination of his fights prove this to be true.
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:05 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Louis, Walcott, Charles, LaStarza, and Moore all said the same about Marciano's skills. All praised his skills after they fought and said that a lot of it is deceptive and many of skills are definitely present, but hard to notice on film because they're subtle. Close examination of his fights prove this to be true.
That may or may not be true but surely you must realise he hasn't got the skill set of Tyson ali Holmes Lewis Holyfield ect
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:29 AM   #35 (permalink)
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That may or may not be true but surely you must realise he hasn't got the skill set of Tyson ali Holmes Lewis Holyfield ect
In his own ways he does, and the same go for the rest. Marciano knew his body, his strengths, weaknesses, etc, and he knew how to win using them. He knows he was stronger than guys who had 30+ lbs on him, and he knew he hit like a truck. He also knew that he had short arms, was only 5'11, and wasn't the fast guy in the world. So he went into fights with a strategy, which usually entailed moving in at a crouch, making him shorter than he already was, and throwing hurtful punches while also making the other guy pay for punches he throws.


Take note of the following moments in the video below:

0:03: Marciano rolls Louis's right and counters with a crisp right uppercut-left uppercut combo.
0:17: Marciano closes the distance while slipping jabs
1:16: Marciano comes over Louis's jab with a straight right then changes position, and counters Louis's 1-2.
1:22: Marciano once again comes over Louis's jab with a hard right.
1:36: Marciano picked up on Louis moving straight back and clocked him with a hard left hook, which dropped and badly hurt Louis, which led to the brutal KO shortly after.



Here is a good video that highlights skillful, subtle things Marciano did during fights:



Granted, Marciano's methods look unorthodox, he certainly was no more crude than guys like Dempsey or Foreman.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:15 PM   #36 (permalink)
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In his own ways he does, and the same go for the rest. Marciano knew his body, his strengths, weaknesses, etc, and he knew how to win using them. He knows he was stronger than guys who had 30+ lbs on him, and he knew he hit like a truck. He also knew that he had short arms, was only 5'11, and wasn't the fast guy in the world. So he went into fights with a strategy, which usually entailed moving in at a crouch, making him shorter than he already was, and throwing hurtful punches while also making the other guy pay for punches he throws.


Take note of the following moments in the video below:

0:03: Marciano rolls Louis's right and counters with a crisp right uppercut-left uppercut combo.
0:17: Marciano closes the distance while slipping jabs
1:16: Marciano comes over Louis's jab with a straight right then changes position, and counters Louis's 1-2.
1:22: Marciano once again comes over Louis's jab with a hard right.
1:36: Marciano picked up on Louis moving straight back and clocked him with a hard left hook, which dropped and badly hurt Louis, which led to the brutal KO shortly after.



Here is a good video that highlights skillful, subtle things Marciano did during fights:



Granted, Marciano's methods look unorthodox, he certainly was no more crude than guys like Dempsey or Foreman.
Excellent post!
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In his own ways he does, and the same go for the rest. Marciano knew his body, his strengths, weaknesses, etc, and he knew how to win using them. He knows he was stronger than guys who had 30+ lbs on him, and he knew he hit like a truck. He also knew that he had short arms, was only 5'11, and wasn't the fast guy in the world. So he went into fights with a strategy, which usually entailed moving in at a crouch, making him shorter than he already was, and throwing hurtful punches while also making the other guy pay for punches he throws.


Take note of the following moments in the video below:

0:03: Marciano rolls Louis's right and counters with a crisp right uppercut-left uppercut combo.
0:17: Marciano closes the distance while slipping jabs
1:16: Marciano comes over Louis's jab with a straight right then changes position, and counters Louis's 1-2.
1:22: Marciano once again comes over Louis's jab with a hard right.
1:36: Marciano picked up on Louis moving straight back and clocked him with a hard left hook, which dropped and badly hurt Louis, which led to the brutal KO shortly after.



Here is a good video that highlights skillful, subtle things Marciano did during fights:



Granted, Marciano's methods look unorthodox, he certainly was no more crude than guys like Dempsey or Foreman.
I like the post bill but you have to realise that Joe louis wasnt the fighter he once was in that fight he was still a decent fighter but he wasnt the man that he was 3-4 years earlier and he def wasnt the man he was in the late 1930s early 1940s even Marciano knew himself he was fighting an old ex champ long past his best thats why Marciano didnt want to take the fight that is why Joe Louis had retired in 1949 he wasnt the man he used to be and Rocky new it
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I like the post bill but you have to realise that Joe louis wasnt the fighter he once was in that fight he was still a decent fighter but he wasnt the man that he was 3-4 years earlier and he def wasnt the man he was in the late 1930s early 1940s even Marciano knew himself he was fighting an old ex champ long past his best thats why Marciano didnt want to take the fight that is why Joe Louis had retired in 1949 he wasnt the man he used to be and Rocky new it
My, yes. Joe was only about 5 years younger than Vitali is now. LOL!
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I like the post bill but you have to realise that Joe louis wasnt the fighter he once was in that fight he was still a decent fighter but he wasnt the man that he was 3-4 years earlier and he def wasnt the man he was in the late 1930s early 1940s even Marciano knew himself he was fighting an old ex champ long past his best thats why Marciano didnt want to take the fight that is why Joe Louis had retired in 1949 he wasnt the man he used to be and Rocky new it
Yes, Louis was a shell in the ring..

BUT you have to realize, those moves bill pinpointed in that video are recurrent in his other fights, against fresher fighters.
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