[Megarodon]

I HIGHLY recommend you guys to read the article written by Thomas Hauser about the subject.

here are the links: Max Boxing - Sub Lead - The PED Mess: Part One

Max Boxing - Main Lead - The PED Mess: Part Two

*Most concerning issues:
-USADA's credibility and Golden Boy's

-Mayweather's positive tests
-Morales' proven tests

I'm a pessismistic person, so I'm not going to say that I'm at all surprised boxing is this dirty at the highest level, still, that doesnt make me any less disappointed.

[miguel]

GReat articles - I've heard from other sources about Pacquiao's attorney demanding the documents regarding the PED testing of Mayweather and nothing was produced...it's also been reported that USADA and Mayweather's relationship has not been as professional and above board as we'd like to believe.

Thing is many on this board are Mayweather fanboys which is why you have no response yet.

I recall Pacquiao's main gripe about the testing was he didn't want USADA involved, they wanted VADA. Mayweather tried to insist Pacquiao had to do it with USADA and couldn't leave the country.

Yet dumbass Mayweather fan boys believe everything that idiot says

Funny, how Mayweather's hand speed doesn't seem affected between his jump from 130 to 154...he also started boxing at 106 like Pacquiao, but like I said - Mayweather has many dumb fans that love the guy despite him showing his true colours many times before

[Colzo]

So Basically according to that article every boxer should be taking a PED test every hour of everyday 24/7?

[Megarodon]

Originally Posted by Colzo

So Basically according to that article every boxer should be taking a PED test every hour of everyday 24/7?

In order to have a real effective control over the PED issue, yes.

If not, then it's just pretending to have a real test, which will only catch the ones who get sloppy or dont have enough expertise to cheat. And even in those cases, as we have read, the powers that be have ways to control the issue... like Golden Boy

[Megarodon]

Originally Posted by miguel

GReat articles - I've heard from other sources about Pacquiao's attorney demanding the documents regarding the PED testing of Mayweather and nothing was produced...it's also been reported that USADA and Mayweather's relationship has not been as professional and above board as we'd like to believe.

Thing is many on this board are Mayweather fanboys which is why you have no response yet.

I recall Pacquiao's main gripe about the testing was he didn't want USADA involved, they wanted VADA. Mayweather tried to insist Pacquiao had to do it with USADA and couldn't leave the country.

Yet dumbass Mayweather fan boys believe everything that idiot says

Funny, how Mayweather's hand speed doesn't seem affected between his jump from 130 to 154...he also started boxing at 106 like Pacquiao, but like I said - Mayweather has many dumb fans that love the guy despite him showing his true colours many times before

Well, to be fair, these guys are at least pretending to do something serious about testing... We know its mostly a farse and even positive results arent doing anything under USADA.
Nonito Donaire aside (who should be commended here loudly for taking VADA year-long 24/7 testing), Top Rank fighters arent doing anything either.

Now, at first glance its not the promoter's or the figthter's job to do the testing... But since this de-centralized non-league model is what boxing has adopted... Maybe it should be, since State comissions certainly do not have the resources to pull that off.

[bill1234]

To be honest, I don't think either Pac or Mayweather are on PEDs. Neither have shown anything they didn't since the very start of their careers, and both have shown natural decline.

Mayweather has clearly lost punch speed, reaction time, and his legs are not near what they used to be.

Pac's punches have slowed down a bit and his legs aren't what they were 4 to 5 years ago.

Neither Pac nor Mayweather really have "roid" muscles, they have maintained pretty much the same core build that they always had.

Now, to be completely honest, I think Marquez is on something. He's more ripped and bigger than he ever was at 39 years old. I will assume he is clean unless he fails a test, but I would be lying to say I'm not suspicious. It hurts to think it too, because Marquez is one of my favorite fighters out there.

[fsenties4]

Originally Posted by bill1234

To be honest, I don't think either Pac or Mayweather are on PEDs. Neither have shown anything they didn't since the very start of their careers, and both have shown natural decline.

Mayweather has clearly lost punch speed, reaction time, and his legs are not near what they used to be.

Pac's punches have slowed down a bit and his legs aren't what they were 4 to 5 years ago.

Neither Pac nor Mayweather really have "roid" muscles, they have maintained pretty much the same core build that they always had.

Now, to be completely honest, I think Marquez is on something. He's more ripped and bigger than he ever was at 39 years old. I will assume he is clean unless he fails a test, but I would be lying to say I'm not suspicious. It hurts to think it too, because Marquez is one of my favorite fighters out there.

On what could Marquez be? Other than more muscles, I haven't seen anything different on Marquez, hie performances have been, if not worse little by little, the same they've been for years, even his speed and reflexes have diminished, and his power is definitely not the same.

Had the 2004 Marquez smashed Pacquiao as he did last year, the fight wouldn't have gone to the scorecards.

A better body is product of a better nutritionist, more work at the gym and the fact of being in a heavier division, which allows him to build more muscle, don't you think?

Mexicans usually don't have a ripped body unless they're in their natural weight.

[Megarodon]

Originally Posted by bill1234

To be honest, I don't think either Pac or Mayweather are on PEDs. Neither have shown anything they didn't since the very start of their careers, and both have shown natural decline.

Mayweather has clearly lost punch speed, reaction time, and his legs are not near what they used to be.

Pac's punches have slowed down a bit and his legs aren't what they were 4 to 5 years ago.

Neither Pac nor Mayweather really have "roid" muscles, they have maintained pretty much the same core build that they always had.

Now, to be completely honest, I think Marquez is on something. He's more ripped and bigger than he ever was at 39 years old. I will assume he is clean unless he fails a test, but I would be lying to say I'm not suspicious. It hurts to think it too, because Marquez is one of my favorite fighters out there.

Roid Muscles is stuff of rookies in boxing bill, come on.

To be honest, if I had to guess, I'd guess both Mayweather and Pacquiao have used PED's at somet point in their careers. I do not any hint of proof, though Mayweather's "positives" also came from the mouth of Golden Boy's attorney... which is curious

Of course, this is not all about "gaining speed, gaining power". It's also about muscular recovery through training camp, energy levels, and building up quality muscular tissue...

Its not magic, reflexes and speed are things that are bound to go away, using drugs or not.

As for Marquez, up until the piss drinking shows on tv I dont think he was using anything, after that failed and he showed up a little chubby against Floyd after eating all those raw quail eggs... Maybe

We have no way of knowing it, but I wouldnt be sure about anyone being clean in the sport other than those who are taking testing more seriously, like Donaire seems to be.

[miguel]

Originally Posted by fsenties4

On what could Marquez be? Other than more muscles, I haven't seen anything different on Marquez, hie performances have been, if not worse little by little, the same they've been for years, even his speed and reflexes have diminished, and his power is definitely not the same.

Had the 2004 Marquez smashed Pacquiao as he did last year, the fight wouldn't have gone to the scorecards.

A better body is product of a better nutritionist, more work at the gym and the fact of being in a heavier division, which allows him to build more muscle, don't you think?

Mexicans usually don't have a ripped body unless they're in their natural weight.

First off anyone who believes anything that comes out of Mayweather is an idiot. As for whose used I don't know - these are guys trying to gain any advantage they can, if they are advised at some point to try something they will. So do I think Pacquiao AND Mayweather has never taken? As Bill said, I'd be pleasantly surprised if neither has taken. Do I think Pacquiao is a cheat and Mayweather isn't? Not a chance. I mean come on, Floyd's 2 trainers both have a history with drugs - it's hard to believe that Floyd never had any exposure to this himself.

Floyd only started calling for the testing when the fight against Pacquiao came up - and this was very much his way of throwing accusations. He then insisted it be done by the USADA - if he's so intent on cleaning the sport up, VADA would have and should have been fine. Why only USADA? Only since then have his opponents taken tests. Mayweather throws a lot of mud, but he knows how to turn people's attention away by making a lot of noise.