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fsenties4 · 12-12-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Megarodon

Yes, Marquez's face looks like of someone who takes stuff but what can we do? Pac's camp was fine and didnt insist on better testing A WHOLE YEAR after they first got to know Marquez was working with Memo Heredia.

Let's give some credit to what Marquez did, Pacquiao's chin hadn't been tested the last 3 years until Pacquiao-Marquez 3, where Marquez (and Pacquiao also) was a lot more careful while throwing punches, trying to win on points instead of looking for a knockout.

This time it was clear that Marquez (and Pacquiao also) was looking to end the fight the way it did, sitting a lot more on his punches.

Marquez's strenght has always been there, 40 KO's out of 55 wins prove it, and IMO it is easier to keep being strong than to keep having a good chin as time passes.

I'm not trying to blindly defend JMM, it's just that I think is really unfair that this PED issue wasn't a topic while JMM was losing the previous fights.

HUGOBOX · 12-12-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SweetScienceTKO

I'm not sure what kind of urine Marquez was drinking before the fight against Pacquiao but it ******* works wonders... That fool hit Pacquiao with the same damn punches the last three fights and all of a sudden he drops like that??? You guys aren't questioning anything right now??? Marquez is 39 yrs old and his last fight before Pac was on April of this year??? Where the power and stamina come from??? How do I get in contact with Marquez camp to send me a sample of his urine???

Cut the crap and give Marquez his due, he simply trained very hard, came in shape, threw a perfect right counter and caught Paquaio right on the point of his chin as he was coming in, making the shot twice as powerful, end of story, the better man won and that's that !! P aquaio may never be the same....his brain got crunched by the back of his skull as it had no where to go after being hit by that missile..

Bigblock · 12-12-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hitfan

Floyd should have taken the Pacquiao fight when it would have meant something three years ago.

Too late Floyd, you blew it with your BS. You could have made untold millions upon millions from the superfight.

Pacuiao is for all intents and purposes, not as marketable as he used to be. He would have to avenge his previous losses, which would take quite a while before Mayweather-Pacquiao reaches superfight status again.

I'm pretty sure Pacquiao blew it and then let Arum blow it for him some more. Floyd let Pac dictate everything and only asked for testing. Then Arum stuck his stupid ass in it with wanting a different arena excuse. Pacquiao apparently can't manage his money so he needs the big money fights more than Floyd. Of course now Pacquiao's stock aint worth ****. I bet that 40 million Floyd offered him is looking damn good now.

**Megarodon** · 12-12-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fsenties4

Let's give some credit to what Marquez did, Pacquiao's chin hadn't been tested the last 3 years until Pacquiao-Marquez 3, where Marquez (and Pacquiao also) was a lot more careful while throwing punches, trying to win on points instead of looking for a knockout.

This time it was clear that Marquez (and Pacquiao also) was looking to end the fight the way it did, sitting a lot more on his punches.

Marquez's strenght has always been there, 40 KO's out of 55 wins prove it, and IMO it is easier to keep being strong than to keep having a good chin as time passes.

I'm not trying to blindly defend JMM, it's just that I think is really unfair that this PED issue wasn't a topic while JMM was losing the previous fights.

it's true his hands arent light.. his KO's are proof of it.

But Pacquiao was the first one punch cold KO he scored in a very long time... His last stoppages have been after combos and finishing a hurt opponent. This was another league;

Still, while I personally think there's something fishy (just as Pac looked beastly in the Cotto fight)... I'm not taking the credit away

hitfan · 12-13-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigblock

I'm pretty sure Pacquiao blew it and then let Arum blow it for him some more. Floyd let Pac dictate everything and only asked for testing. Then Arum stuck his stupid ass in it with wanting a different arena excuse. Pacquiao apparently can't manage his money so he needs the big money fights more than Floyd. Of course now Pacquiao's stock aint worth ****. I bet that 40 million Floyd offered him is looking damn good now.

Boxing needs superfights. If there is nothing out there that can attract a mainstream audience, then the sport will continue to slide into irrelevancy and will only be followed by it's core fanbase.

Bigblock · 12-13-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by hitfan

Boxing needs superfights. If there is nothing out there that can attract a mainstream audience, then the sport will continue to slide into irrelevancy and will only be followed by it's core fanbase.

Pac vs Mayweather was only a super fight in some people's minds. Pacquaio has been so highly over rated in the last couple years.

fsenties4 · 12-13-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Megarodon

it's true his hands arent light.. his KO's are proof of it.

But Pacquiao was the first one punch cold KO he scored in a very long time... His last stoppages have been after combos and finishing a hurt opponent. This was another league;

Still, while I personally think there's something fishy (just as Pac looked beastly in the Cotto fight)... I'm not taking the credit away

True, but Martinez stoppage of Williams was also his first and only one punch KO and nobody said anything about PED's.

I think all this doubts have come more because it was Pacquiao (who was known for having a good chin, instead of Williams) who got knocked out more than the way he was.

**Megarodon** · 12-13-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by fsenties4

True, but Martinez stoppage of Williams was also his first and only one punch KO and nobody said anything about PED's.

I think all this doubts have come more because it was Pacquiao (who was known for having a good chin, instead of Williams) who got knocked out more than the way he was.

It's not so much about the single KO punch itself... Pac was rushing in and met the punch eithout even seeing it... Anyone would've been put to sleep.
Just like Martinez' punch on Williams, it was just a huge punch that the receiver did not see coming.

I think the 3rd round knockdown made a bigger impression to be honest... That was a punch Marquez had been landing in the previous fights and one that did not put anyone in their asses previously. And this time it had huge force behind it... That's what was more shocking.

I do think it's naive NOT to suspect it, especially considering how his face looks and how his body looks... But we cant put a mark on his record... Like I said, the flag had been raised at least a year ago and nobody asked for testing... Even in a year filled with cheaters getting caught.

chooi · 12-13-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigblock

Pac vs Mayweather was only a super fight in some people's minds. Pacquaio has been so highly over rated in the last couple years.

Yeah in the general public's mind. I think most everyone would have watched it - i.e. sounds like a superfight to me

ElMillionario · 12-13-2012, 11:30 PM

History will look back very kindly on Mayweather over the steroid issue. JMM looked like **** when he fought against Mayweather, and now JMM looks like a prime fighter. This alone speaks volume. I hope that full Olympic-style blood testing is on its way quickly, and we won't have fights like this anymore.

I am not a fan of Mayweather (he makes himself unlikeable) but he was 100% right about demanding testing.