[fsenties4]

Originally Posted by ElMillionario

History will look back very kindly on Mayweather over the steroid issue. JMM looked like **** when he fought against Mayweather, and now JMM looks like a prime fighter. This alone speaks volume. I hope that full Olympic-style blood testing is on its way quickly, and we won't have fights like this anymore.

I am not a fan of Mayweather (he makes himself unlikeable) but he was 100% right about demanding testing.

Yes, he was, but still, he only demands testing shortly before a fight, what happens the rest of the time??

The only fighter so far who is tested 365 24/7 by VADA is Donaire, that is the only way to prove a fighter is clean.

[jaw2929]

Can someone please explain how Pacquiao has been "piggybacking" off of Mayweather's name?

[ElMillionario]

Originally Posted by fsenties4

Yes, he was, but still, he only demands testing shortly before a fight, what happens the rest of the time??

The only fighter so far who is tested 365 24/7 by VADA is Donaire, that is the only way to prove a fighter is clean.

Obvioulsy the big obstacles with all-year-around testin are;
(1) all sanctioning bodies (WBC, WBA, IBF & WBO) would all have to agree to it (they can't even agree on rankings!),
(2) boxers live all over the world making it impossible for all to have same testing,
(3) what happens to someone who retires, and then announces an out of retirement fight?

and about a million other issues. One thing the boxing organizations could do is demand that all Champions be tested all year around and any contender be as well. And, noone can challenge for a title unless they were tested for 12 months.

Yeah, some current big name guys don't hold belts, so this rule may not affect them. BUT, those guys are big names b/c they held Belts. And all these new crop of champions, would have had a track of being tested.

Bottom line is that now it has gone too far. What Marquez did was disgusting. He flat out cheated and walked into the ring with loaded gloves (yes, taking steroids the way Marquez did is the same as loaded gloves). It has been funny to watch all the fight shows talk about the "Fighter of the Year" and the "Fight of the Year" BUT NONE HAVE CHOSEN MARQUEZ. In fact, Jim Lampley in his end of year show at HBO, called out Marquez and said that the reason Donaire is the fighter of the year is b/c he allows himself to be tested all year 'round.

[Speedkills]

Originally Posted by ElMillionario

Bottom line is that now it has gone too far. What Marquez did was disgusting. He flat out cheated and walked into the ring with loaded gloves (yes, taking steroids the way Marquez did is the same as loaded gloves). It has been funny to watch all the fight shows talk about the "Fighter of the Year" and the "Fight of the Year" BUT NONE HAVE CHOSEN MARQUEZ. In fact, Jim Lampley in his end of year show at HBO, called out Marquez and said that the reason Donaire is the fighter of the year is b/c he allows himself to be tested all year 'round.

Those are strong accusations. I agree things look a little suspicious, but without any evidence , you gotta give JMM benefit of the doubt.

[ElMillionario]

Originally Posted by Speedkills

Those are strong accusations. I agree things look a little suspicious, but without any evidence , you gotta give JMM benefit of the doubt.

Why? Why should anyone give him benefit of doubt? The evidence is all around us:
(1) he used a strength trainer that was part of BALCO and assisted atheletes in cheating,
(2)JMM fought 36 rds with Pac, and never knocked him down once. And of all of the sudden JMM knocks Pac down twice????
(3) JMM's body looks very different and all the reporters were raising eyebrows and asking him (JMM) about his new "muscles" and that he looked like a bodybuilder, and
(4) at the point of an athletes career (in his late 30's almost 40yrs old) when the athlete is suppose to lose his abilities, all of the sudden JMM has a SURGE?? (see Mark McGuirre, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, etc)

EVERYONE, lets take your blindfolds off. JMM is a cheater, his reputation is tarnished forever, what he (JMM) did is no different than what Margarito did.

JMM = CHEATER. Forever to be remember as a CHEATER.

[jaw2929]

Originally Posted by ElMillionario

JMM = CHEATER. Forever to be remember as a CHEATER.

Couldn't disagree more. See maybe I'm the ONLY one here, but I see nothing wrong with PED's or steroids. If an athlete/boxer, whoever wants to take them to improve his performance, I say more power to him!

I don't respect those who take drugs to help themselves out, any less than I do those who don't.

But I could be totally alone here.

[Ricky123]

respect to Floyd for giving the interview and saying some nice things about Pacquiao.However I and other fight fans will always question his mentalityand how good he really is/was.Having read about I feel the reason why Mayweather hasn't fought Pacquaio is the fact that before he was pretty dangerous and Mayweather was afraid of loosing his unbeaten record and the money that goes with this.Its a real shame that the fight hasn't happened yet as sport should be about true values rather than marketing ones something which Pacquaio is more in line with than Floyd.

[ElMillionario]

Originally Posted by jaw2929

Couldn't disagree more. See maybe I'm the ONLY one here, but I see nothing wrong with PED's or steroids. If an athlete/boxer, whoever wants to take them to improve his performance, I say more power to him!

I don't respect those who take drugs to help themselves out, any less than I do those who don't.

But I could be totally alone here.

People with your opinion should voice it, bc the open discussion should be had.

For a second lets forget the other sports where athletes have used PEDs, (100yrd dash, cycling, baseball, etc) this is boxing; a contact sport. If a runner cheats by using steroids, he wins the race and the clean athletes get cheated out of a medal.

However, in boxing when a dirty boxer (like JMM) uses steroids, but clean athletes don't bc they have respect for the sport or is afraid of getting caught, the fight becomes unfair and DANGEROUS. You don't play boxing, you fight boxing. The object of the fight is to hit the other guy more times than you get hit, and knock him out. And, when there are boxers using steroids (like JMM) boxing becomes an execution; not a sport. Clean boxers will get hurt. Using steroids is the same as loading your gloves.

And I hope that noone here is advocating also loading gloves, right?

The use of steroids is the same as loaded gloves. You all saw the punch JMM landed, it almost killed Paq. Those are the kind of punches that could ruin the career of a boxer.

Boxing is not an execution, its a sports. A rough sport, but a sport. If we allow, as you are advocating, for anyone who desires to use steroids to have free will, then you are sending the clean fighters to an execution.

NO. The sport has to be cleaned up. Guys like JMM have to punished and everyone needs to point the finger at him and shame him. We can't have guys like him in boxing.

What JMM did is the same as Margarito; no different.

[jaw2929]

Originally Posted by ElMillionario

People with your opinion should voice it, bc the open discussion should be had.

For a second lets forget the other sports where athletes have used PEDs, (100yrd dash, cycling, baseball, etc) this is boxing; a contact sport. If a runner cheats by using steroids, he wins the race and the clean athletes get cheated out of a medal.

However, in boxing when a dirty boxer (like JMM) uses steroids, but clean athletes don't bc they have respect for the sport or is afraid of getting caught, the fight becomes unfair and DANGEROUS. You don't play boxing, you fight boxing. The object of the fight is to hit the other guy more times than you get hit, and knock him out. And, when there are boxers using steroids (like JMM) boxing becomes an execution; not a sport. Clean boxers will get hurt. Using steroids is the same as loading your gloves.

And I hope that noone here is advocating also loading gloves, right?

The use of steroids is the same as loaded gloves. You all saw the punch JMM landed, it almost killed Paq. Those are the kind of punches that could ruin the career of a boxer.

Boxing is not an execution, its a sports. A rough sport, but a sport. If we allow, as you are advocating, for anyone who desires to use steroids to have free will, then you are sending the clean fighters to an execution.

NO. The sport has to be cleaned up. Guys like JMM have to punished and everyone needs to point the finger at him and shame him. We can't have guys like him in boxing.

What JMM did is the same as Margarito; no different.

I hear ya, but I still disagree. Because taking steroids/PED's also has horrible side affects for the person using them. They KNOW about those side effects, and still continue to use them anyway.

Having said that, I am sure there've been fighters (not necessarily just in Boxing) who've taken roids/PED's and didn't find it to their advantage at all. I think you're exagerrating a bit in saying that Marquez almost "killed" Pacquiao, and that anyone who DOES take these drugs could end up potentially killing their opponent. I just don't see it happening.

I think we're gonna haveta agree to disagree here, boss.

[fsenties4]

Originally Posted by ElMillionario

People with your opinion should voice it, bc the open discussion should be had.

For a second lets forget the other sports where athletes have used PEDs, (100yrd dash, cycling, baseball, etc) this is boxing; a contact sport. If a runner cheats by using steroids, he wins the race and the clean athletes get cheated out of a medal.

However, in boxing when a dirty boxer (like JMM) uses steroids, but clean athletes don't bc they have respect for the sport or is afraid of getting caught, the fight becomes unfair and DANGEROUS. You don't play boxing, you fight boxing. The object of the fight is to hit the other guy more times than you get hit, and knock him out. And, when there are boxers using steroids (like JMM) boxing becomes an execution; not a sport. Clean boxers will get hurt. Using steroids is the same as loading your gloves.

And I hope that noone here is advocating also loading gloves, right?

The use of steroids is the same as loaded gloves. You all saw the punch JMM landed, it almost killed Paq. Those are the kind of punches that could ruin the career of a boxer.

Boxing is not an execution, its a sports. A rough sport, but a sport. If we allow, as you are advocating, for anyone who desires to use steroids to have free will, then you are sending the clean fighters to an execution.

NO. The sport has to be cleaned up. Guys like JMM have to punished and everyone needs to point the finger at him and shame him. We can't have guys like him in boxing.

Omar Chavez didn't take any PED's and still killed Marco Nazareth though.

Same with so many other cases, and I'm not so sure, but I think there have been more deaths caused by fighters who didn't used PED's than by people who used.

BTW I'm not in favor of making PED's legal, but I also think you exaggerated in your statements.

Originally Posted by ElMillionario

JMM did is the same as Margarito; no different.

Lots of fighters have cheated before and you bringing up JMM, who went through his tests and came up clean; and Margarito, who received a fine and was suspended but when he asked for the evidence it got "lost" (funny, isn't?) it makes me wonder if maybe you have something against this 2 particular boxers.