Time for Freddy Roach and Manny to retire - Boxing Forum - Boxing Discussion Forums
Boxing Forum General Discussion A place for general boxing discussion.

Reply

Old 12-16-2012, 11:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
Amateur
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 50
newman45 is a rookie! Class in session...
Time for Freddy Roach and Manny to retire

Based on the performance of Amir Khan last night and the string of losses for Freddy, I think it is about time for Freddy to retire. He made quite an achievement, and made quite a lot of money, but all good things must come to an end. I've seen his health deteriorate lately, and we are all human, we all grow old, we all have to face the inevitable.

Even his prized fighter Manny will never be the same again, and he should retire too. I truly doubt that the blow to his head did not cause any damage to his brain, contrary to what doctors say. I think many of you believe that what is happening to Freddy and Ali was caused by the sport of boxing.

Now it is an opportunity for the younger generation of boxers and trainers to rise. Time for Deontay Wilder to give a good challenge to the Klitchkos. Good display of skill by Nonito Donaire last night, and congratulations to Robert Garcia for his string of winnings.
newman45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 12-16-2012, 02:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 355
chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential
I'd be inclined to agree with you if Pac hadn't looked as good as he did before the knockout. We'll just have to wait and see.

I don't think Khan's win says anything about the quality of Roach as a trainer. I do think his health might be slipping slightly, but at this point if Manny does continue fighting it's not going to be with anyone other than Roach. And if Freddie does happen to retire, it'll just be from the big leagues, he'll still train up and coming fighters. Boxing is what's keeping him healthy at this point.
chooi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2012, 02:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
Rookie
 
eco7077's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 226
eco7077 is a rookie! Class in session...
I think Pac wins a 5th fight if it is done.

I am tired of reading post stating that a guy should retire because of one punch.

I don't know , maybe the Fraziers and those guys were real men and what we have now are Barbie dolls fighting...
eco7077 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2012, 03:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
I Coulda Been a Contenda
 
Speedkills's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Palookaville, USA
Posts: 909
Speedkills shows alot of potential Speedkills shows alot of potential Speedkills shows alot of potential Speedkills shows alot of potential Speedkills shows alot of potential Speedkills shows alot of potential Speedkills shows alot of potential Speedkills shows alot of potential Speedkills shows alot of potential Speedkills shows alot of potential Speedkills shows alot of potential
Kahn no longer trained by Roach. He's with Virgil Hunter now.

Regarding Pac, I think he has a lot left in the tank. He just needs to make sure he still has the hunger to fight. He was winning the fight and was starting to hurt Marquez, but got sloppy and overeager against a guy who's been specifically training to counter him with big right hands.
Speedkills is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2012, 03:34 PM   #5 (permalink)
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 355
chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential chooi shows alot of potential
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedkills View Post
Kahn no longer trained by Roach. He's with Virgil Hunter now.

Regarding Pac, I think he has a lot left in the tank. He just needs to make sure he still has the hunger to fight. He was winning the fight and was starting to hurt Marquez, but got sloppy and overeager against a guy who's been specifically training to counter him with big right hands.
I'm not sure if OP was referring to Khan's win, saying "Look he won, because he's not with Roach" or "Look Khan is still the same even if he won, because he's with Roach", which would be an incorrect presumption.

I thought it was the former, so I was saying that just because Khan wins without Roach, doesn't mean Roach isn't a good trainer.
chooi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2012, 11:04 AM   #6 (permalink)
TRIPLE OG HATER FOR LIFE
 
HUGOBOX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 16,781
HUGOBOX is a superior tactician! HUGOBOX is a superior tactician! HUGOBOX is a superior tactician! HUGOBOX is a superior tactician! HUGOBOX is a superior tactician! HUGOBOX is a superior tactician! HUGOBOX is a superior tactician! HUGOBOX is a superior tactician! HUGOBOX is a superior tactician! HUGOBOX is a superior tactician! HUGOBOX is a superior tactician!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedkills View Post
Kahn no longer trained by Roach. He's with Virgil Hunter now.

Regarding Pac, I think he has a lot left in the tank. He just needs to make sure he still has the hunger to fight. He was winning the fight and was starting to hurt Marquez, but got sloppy and overeager against a guy who's been specifically training to counter him with big right hands.
Let's face it Khan looked just OK against a midget who couldn't punch, WHILE HE STILL MAY BE ABLE TO GET HIMSELF IN GOOD SHAPE, his chin will betray him at any point, he'll be ok as long as he doesn't face any puncher with guts to mix it up.......AS far as Paquaio goes, he was winning the fight just fine but got over eager and ran straight into one, he very likely will win if they fight again as Marquez foot work is detiorating and he's getting slower with age
HUGOBOX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2012, 11:19 AM   #7 (permalink)
Moderator
 
bill1234's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: At my house
Posts: 9,681
bill1234 is a hot prospect bill1234 is a hot prospect bill1234 is a hot prospect bill1234 is a hot prospect bill1234 is a hot prospect bill1234 is a hot prospect bill1234 is a hot prospect bill1234 is a hot prospect bill1234 is a hot prospect bill1234 is a hot prospect bill1234 is a hot prospect
Khan was still getting nailed with counter hooks and rights over the top. If Molina could crack harder, we'd have seen Khan on his butt once again. Roach was not the problem, Khan and his chin were the problem. Virgil is a very good trainer, but he's not going to be able to fix what is in Amir's chin, and he's not going to be able to raise Amir's natural (or lack of) ring IQ.

A guy like Marquez or Garcia would lay Khan out again. Good timing beats good speed everyday of the week, especially when the guy with good speed has the ring IQ of a tree. Khan is bound to be knocked out again, the next time he steps up in class and faces a good counter puncher with good power he'll once again find himself on the canvas.
__________________
MEMBER OF BOXINGFORUM.COM HALL OF FAME-JANUARY, 2008



bill1234 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2012, 05:24 PM   #8 (permalink)
Talented Newcomer
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 868
o336MR shows promise o336MR shows promise o336MR shows promise o336MR shows promise o336MR shows promise o336MR shows promise o336MR shows promise o336MR shows promise o336MR shows promise o336MR shows promise
Quote:
Originally Posted by chooi View Post
I'd be inclined to agree with you if Pac hadn't looked as good as he did before the knockout.


That's just a bad way of looking at it, brother. Amir looked great against Garcia until he got KTFO. Manny looked good/great against JMM until he got KTFO. The problem is, no matter how great you look, if you're trained to leave your chin/face out there, you get KTFO.

The best offense on Earth can't stop you from getting KTFO.

Freddie needs to bring in a second trainer that can train these guys defensively, because he does not. He owes it to his fighters to do this, or he needs to hang up his mitts.
__________________
I hate Bob Arum.
o336MR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2012, 10:19 PM   #9 (permalink)
 
jaw2929's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 20
jaw2929 is a rookie! Class in session...
I think it's absurd to say that Pacquiao should retire because he got knocked out. I mean really? I don't think so. He can probably end up winning a 5th bout between he & Marquez. What would REALLY cement Marquez's legacy though? A second win in a row vs. Pac-Man.
jaw2929 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2012, 07:54 AM   #10 (permalink)
Contender
 
daveDaboxingfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York
Posts: 3,348
daveDaboxingfan is a student of the game daveDaboxingfan is a student of the game daveDaboxingfan is a student of the game daveDaboxingfan is a student of the game daveDaboxingfan is a student of the game daveDaboxingfan is a student of the game daveDaboxingfan is a student of the game daveDaboxingfan is a student of the game daveDaboxingfan is a student of the game daveDaboxingfan is a student of the game daveDaboxingfan is a student of the game
Thumbs down

why the obsession with fighters retiring?
A fighter Looses a fight and every body starts the "retiring BS"

Pac has had his share of Ws, i don't have a problem with getting his share of Ls. the same goes for Khan and every other fighter.
Some fighters loose and come back hungry-er. Some fighters i want to see loose.
__________________
Back to not knowing anything about boxing and rap music.
Dave
bets http://www.boxingforum.com/boxing-fo...html#post60494
daveDaboxingfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


VerticalSports
Baseball Forum Golf Forum Boxing Forum Snowmobile Forum
Basketball Forum Soccer Forum MMA Forum PWC Forum
Football Forum Cricket Forum Wrestling Forum ATV Forum
Hockey Forum Volleyball Forum Paintball Forum Snowboarding Forum
Tennis Forum Rugby Forums Lacrosse Forum Skiing Forums
Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.3.2
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios