[TysonJones]

You just can't deny it. There isnt a current welterweight champ with the resume as floyd. So how these guys' continue to say floyd ain't number 1 is easy to see as pure hate. Which is fine, bc hate means your a fan.

[SugarShane]

Originally Posted by TysonJones

You just can't deny it. There isnt a current welterweight champ with the resume as floyd. So how these guys' continue to say floyd ain't number 1 is easy to see as pure hate. Which is fine, bc hate means your a fan.

Only if you spend your time searching for even more ways to hate.

[TysonJones]

Exactly. These guys spend so much time hating on floyd, talking about floyd. They are all closet fans. Watch them ignore the facts I listed 4post ago. If anyone can prove that cotto has a better resume at 147 than floyd, i'll give them 100 k in points.

[Megarodon]

Originally Posted by TysonJones

Let me Squash all of this with one post.

Why because cotto beat a 36 year old mosley and beat a fighter floyd already did in zab, an overrated number 10 ranked urkel and then a tune up against gomez. Oh yeah, he also beat quintana.........If that means anything.

Trust me I'm a huge cotto fan, but mayweathers resume at 147+ is just as good if not better.

35 year old oscar ( champ ). Zab Judah ( champ ). Carlos Baldomir (undefeated in 10 years champ ). Hatton ( undefeated former 147 champ ). Sharmbe Mitchell ( tune up yes, former champ? yes ) better than gomez ever was? yes )

So lets compare, and I'll do this as accurately as possible. They both have 5 fights at 147 to my knowlege.

Oscar = Mosley
Zab against Floyd > Zab against Cotto
Baldomir > Urkel
Mitchell > Gomez
Hatton > Quintana

I dont think you can argue with that ^^^. Sorry guys. Floyds resume at 147 is better than cotto's.

-About Baldomir I agree he had to be confronted.
-you're just forgetting that Oscar isnt a 147 anymore. Sugar Shane can make the weight and can fight well there(beat Colazzo with ease).
-Zab Judah is either way the same, he was a former(yes, former) champ in both cases and it is debatable how much he was dimnished when he fought Cotto. But I give you that..
-Quintana is a 147 pounder, Hatton is not, and I think Quintana would even beat him, Hatton just isnt the same fighter at 147..
-Mitchel might have a better resumee than Alfonso Gomez does but he was probably past it(35yo) and never had a 147 resumee prior to that fight, that was his second fight at 147, the first against a notable opponent. Gomez may not be very good but hes bigger and is a true 147 pounder.

So in my eyes, Floyd has 3 real welterweight fights (mitchell, Judah and Baldy). Not saying Hatton and Oscar arent good fights - but Hatton is, at best, at Collazo's level and Oscar isnt a welterweight. Just to make it clear, I take nothing away from Floyd for fighting a Megafight with Oscar(right choice, big challenge, couldnt have asked more). I just dont give as much credit for fighting Hatton.

[NFFC]

Originally Posted by TysonJones

Let me Squash all of this with one post.

Why because cotto beat a 36 year old mosley and beat a fighter floyd already did in zab, an overrated number 10 ranked urkel and then a tune up against gomez. Oh yeah, he also beat quintana.........If that means anything.

Trust me I'm a huge cotto fan, but mayweathers resume at 147+ is just as good if not better.

35 year old oscar ( champ ). Zab Judah ( champ ). Carlos Baldomir (undefeated in 10 years champ ). Hatton ( undefeated former 147 champ ). Sharmbe Mitchell ( tune up yes, former champ? yes ) better than gomez ever was? yes )

So lets compare, and I'll do this as accurately as possible. They both have 5 fights at 147 to my knowlege.

Oscar = Mosley
Zab against Floyd > Zab against Cotto
Baldomir > Urkel
Mitchell > Gomez
Hatton > Quintana

I dont think you can argue with that ^^^. Sorry guys. Floyds resume at 147 is better than cotto's.

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[TysonJones]

Originally Posted by Megarodon

-About Baldomir I agree he had to be confronted.
-you're just forgetting that Oscar isnt a 147 anymore. Sugar Shane can make the weight and can fight well there(beat Colazzo with ease).
-Zab Judah is either way the same, he was a former(yes, former) champ in both cases and it is debatable how much he was dimnished when he fought Cotto. But I give you that..
-Quintana is a 147 pounder, Hatton is not, and I think Quintana would even beat him, Hatton just isnt the same fighter at 147..
-Mitchel might have a better resumee than Alfonso Gomez does but he was probably past it(35yo) and never had a 147 resumee prior to that fight, that was his second fight at 147, the first against a notable opponent. Gomez may not be very good but hes bigger and is a true 147 pounder.

So in my eyes, Floyd has 3 real welterweight fights (mitchell, Judah and Baldy). Not saying Hatton and Oscar arent good fights - but Hatton is, at best, at Collazo's level and Oscar isnt a welterweight. Just to make it clear, I take nothing away from Floyd for fighting a Megafight with Oscar(right choice, big challenge, couldnt have asked more). I just dont give as much credit for fighting Hatton.

Urkal is a 140 pounder, so theres that statement. I said 147+. I dont hold it against floyd at all for fighting above 147. Oscar and mosley are still dead even in comparison right now. That was my point on that. Hatton is a former 147 pound champ, So he can be talked about in relevance to floyds fights at 140. Zab judah was not the same judah after mayweather ( which zab had a belt at the time , whether he was recognized or not ). He had a year of ringrust and a year of prime lost. I doubt pre mayweather, many would think quintana woudl last 6 rounds with hatton. And I'll agree that mitchell was past it, and he wasnt even a true welterweight, he was a 140 pounder his whole career. He only had 3 fights at welterweight. But he was still better than gomez. He stood there and traded with both floyd and williams and although he ended up geting ko'ed in the 6th and 4th, he still FOUGHT THEM. Gomez didnt fight cotto, he went out on his shield and got smashed in 5.

[Megarodon]

But taking another look, Floyd has fought 2 weltweights since 2006, Cotto fought 4(excluding urkal even though he had 2 years, 4 fights at 147).
Hatton struggled with Colazzo and would be just as worth as quintana in my view, so even if you count him... The only difference there is Carlos Baldomir, aside from that Cotto already fought Judah, and an Oscar fight wasnt a welterweight bout, Mosley was. Between Gomez and Mitchell I wont judge it, mitchell was overmatched both times and so was Gomez..
As hard as it might be, an Oscar fight was a junior middleweight bout.
To me Floyd's 147n resumee has two worthy fights and tahts it..

[Unseen]

Originally Posted by TysonJones

Let me Squash all of this with one post.

Why because cotto beat a 36 year old mosley and beat a fighter floyd already did in zab, an overrated number 10 ranked urkel and then a tune up against gomez. Oh yeah, he also beat quintana.........If that means anything.

Trust me I'm a huge cotto fan, but mayweathers resume at 147+ is just as good if not better.

35 year old oscar ( champ ). Zab Judah ( champ ). Carlos Baldomir (undefeated in 10 years champ ). Hatton ( undefeated former 147 champ ). Sharmbe Mitchell ( tune up yes, former champ? yes ) better than gomez ever was? yes )

So lets compare, and I'll do this as accurately as possible. They both have 5 fights at 147 to my knowlege.

Oscar = Mosley
Zab against Floyd > Zab against Cotto
Baldomir > Urkel
Mitchell > Gomez
Hatton > Quintana

I dont think you can argue with that ^^^. Sorry guys. Floyds resume at 147 is better than cotto's.

i like hatton as a person, but i would say quinatana is over hatton. for these guys to make 140 they would be drained a lot. for hatton i think he can make it but is starting to feel dry at most. quintana beat a dangerous guy in willaims. i don't think he can do it again but he still a champ.

[Balistik]

Originally Posted by SugarShane

Forbes would outbox Margarito.

I don't think so. Oscar had Forbes in trouble several times but let him off the hook probably because he didn't want to run out of gas in the later rounds. Margarito doesn't have that problem.

Originally Posted by TysonJones

So lets compare, and I'll do this as accurately as possible. They both have 5 fights at 147 to my knowlege.

Oscar = Mosley
Zab against Floyd > Zab against Cotto
Baldomir > Urkel
Mitchell > Gomez
Hatton > Quintana

I dont think you can argue with that ^^^. Sorry guys. Floyds resume at 147 is better than cotto's.

Oscar and Hatton aren't welterweights.
Mosley + Margarito > Hatton + Oscar rematch

If Floyd rematches Hatton at 140 I'll consider Cotto #1 at 147.