[Unseen]

Originally Posted by Intellectual 1

If the fight in the middle of the ring were equal then RJ will have to watch for something of Cal that could jeopardize his odds of winning the fight....RJ has the counter left uppercut and the counter right...what does Cal have? He can't throw punches in bunches in the middle of the ring against roy...otherwise he's eating something nasty while he's slapping RJ. I don't see it very equal in the middle Joe has no advantage in the middle of the ring unless he doesn't plan on punching alot in the middle...

my thinking of the middle for joe is the position for him to move in and out and left and right. this would tire jones out if joe has a high work rate. joe has a nice right hand that is always high to protect himself. he may get countered while throwing his jab, but then he never fully laods his jab and jeopardise his position. he is in and out. he may not punch as much as he did in smw. he said for hopkins he won;t throw 1000 but maybe 600. nearly half of what he normally does. anyway joe, as well as jones do have it in them to fight other styles. jone s can potshot someone in front of him. can he potshot someone who moves and throws a nice lil jab. that is what i feel will make or break it.

[Wicked Shot]

Originally Posted by C.J.Rock

Neither Manfredo or Jones are worthy, plus Jones didnt just lose he was DESTROYED!!!!!!

Shouldn't the blame be put on Cal for pushing for this fight?

[Unseen]

Originally Posted by Wicked Shot

Shouldn't the blame be put on Cal for pushing for this fight?

they both want paydays.

jones will be a huge name on joe's resume. shot or old, it is still huge.

if jones wins then he will be considered an atg definately. beating joe calzaghe is still gonna add greatness to him. he may be the only guy who beats joe if he wins

[Balistik]

Originally Posted by Intellectual 1

Money post...I agree with everything you said except RJ's stamina. I think his stamina (as well as his chin) is a bit underrated but it still doesn't stand against Cal's stamina at this stage of his career. RJ will expend energy when he knows he needs to turn it on and take time off when he can afford it. I've never seen RJ struggle with stamina other than the Tarver-I and Glen Johnson fight...

It's not so much RJ's stamina but his new tendency to take some rounds off that will play against him. Either way you look at it I don't think he can work hard for 3 mn of every round anymore.

Originally Posted by Unseen

i have just had a thought.

ballist believes the best way to defeat roy is to put pressure on him. joe can't do that sicne he is a better counter than going forward and has no punch to hurt that much anymore, and he can't ko roy.

First of Joe likes to move forward. He did it against B-Hop but also against Kessler. He loves to stand in front of you and throw punches in bunches and he occasionnally ties you up so you can't get your punches off and then throw roundhouse shots (some of them landing behind the head). This is what he does. There's no great strategy or counter punching ability involved IMO. Just good handspeed, upper body movement and tremendeous stamina.
You don't need to be a big puncher to put pressure on your opponent. Joe has to outwork Roy and basically swarm him.

Originally Posted by Unseen

i also believe the best way for joe to win is to counter and move and jab. but then ballist feels that will play into roy's hand. since roy is super fast.

When's the last time you've seen Joe fight going backwards while countering his opponent? If he wanna box with roy in the center of the ring he'll get dominated. Roy places precision shots that you rarely see coming. I'd love to see Joe try to fight a tactical fight though.

Originally Posted by Unseen

he feels joe can win if he puts roy on pressure on the ropes etc.. i feel joe doesn't have it in him to control someone as roy imo.

B-Hop has more stamina than Roy at this point and guess what? Joe was backing him up and outworking him.

Originally Posted by Unseen

i feel roy's best bet is to be on the ropes etc and counter. use his defence and be rough if needed.

Roy fights well when he's against the ropes and I have no doubt he will land great counters but in the later rounds he won't be as sharp and will not capitalize on every counterpunching opportunity.

[Unseen]

Originally Posted by Balistik

It's not so much RJ's stamina but his new tendency to take some rounds off that will play against him. Either way you look at it I don't think he can work hard for 3 mn of every round anymore.


First of Joe likes to move forward. He did it against B-Hop but also against Kessler. He loves to stand in front of you and throw punches in bunches and he occasionnally ties you up so you can't get your punches off and then throw roundhouse shots (some of them landing behind the head). This is what he does. There's no great strategy or counter punching ability involved IMO. Just good handspeed, upper body movement and tremendeous stamina.
You don't need to be a big puncher to put pressure on your opponent. Joe has to outwork Roy and basically swarm him.


When's the last time you've seen Joe fight going backwards while countering his opponent? If he wanna box with roy in the center of the ring he'll get dominated. Roy places precision shots that you rarely see coming. I'd love to see Joe try to fight a tactical fight though.


B-Hop has more stamina than Roy at this point and guess what? Joe was backing him up and outworking him.


Roy fights well when he's against the ropes and I have no doubt he will land great counters but in the later rounds he won't be as sharp and will not capitalize on every counterpunching opportunity.

joe does like to move forward, but not constantly on the frotn foot. he likes to move back and jab and then move in. if someone comes to him, then he actually likes it. he can fight on the back foot as in move around. agaisnt b hop he had to chase. roy is someone who won;t be on the back foot imo. he didn't chase kessler, kessler chased him more. joe just came forward and punched a lot back at him. i personally feel joe doesn't like chasing someone on the backfoot. he likes them to be in the middle or chase him. someone that coems forward like lacy with a leaky defence. he this plays out for both since i feel both work best when in the middle. i have seen fights where people come forward, and soemtimes they do connect, but joe goes right back at them. he still can do it.

[Intellectual 1]

Originally Posted by Unseen

joe does like to move forward, but not constantly on the frotn foot. he likes to move back and jab and then move in. if someone comes to him, then he actually likes it. he can fight on the back foot as in move around. agaisnt b hop he had to chase. roy is someone who won;t be on the back foot imo. he didn't chase kessler, kessler chased him more. joe just came forward and punched a lot back at him. i personally feel joe doesn't like chasing someone on the backfoot. he likes them to be in the middle or chase him. someone that coems forward like lacy with a leaky defence. he this plays out for both since i feel both work best when in the middle. i have seen fights where people come forward, and soemtimes they do connect, but joe goes right back at them. he still can do it.

I've never seen RJ chase some one in years...he's not chasing Cal. If Cal wants any chance in this fight he has to put immense pressure on RJ through swarming punches or through precise counterpunching (don't see Cal hurting RJ though). If you stand right in front of RJ...great...you will get potshot to death and dominated. Even if Cal moves side to side...RJ isn't going to chase him...he will punish him through brutal body shots to slow him down and then pot shot him. Again RJ > Cal in the middle of the ring. He doesn't want Roy there...that's where Roy has the advantage. Watch the tarver fight series and against Glen Johnson...everytime they fought Roy in the middle he pot shotted them. But when they forced him to the ropes RJ couldn't do anything but absorb the punches. Even though Cal has footspeed and hand speed, he just needs to swarm RJ with punches and outland him because if he tactifully fights RJ...then he will lose because I don't see Cal winning any other way.

[Balistik]

Originally Posted by Unseen

joe does like to move forward, but not constantly on the frotn foot. he likes to move back and jab and then move in. if someone comes to him, then he actually likes it. he can fight on the back foot as in move around. agaisnt b hop he had to chase. roy is someone who won;t be on the back foot imo. he didn't chase kessler, kessler chased him more. joe just came forward and punched a lot back at him. i personally feel joe doesn't like chasing someone on the backfoot. he likes them to be in the middle or chase him. someone that coems forward like lacy with a leaky defence. he this plays out for both since i feel both work best when in the middle. i have seen fights where people come forward, and soemtimes they do connect, but joe goes right back at them. he still can do it.

He didn't chase Kessler all the time but he was moving forward quite often in that fight. Roy won't be on the back foot but he will circle Joe and try to keep the fight in the center of the ring. He will be going backwards from time to time though because of Joe's pressure. Joe will not outbox Roy.

[Intellectual 1]

Originally Posted by Balistik

He didn't chase Kessler all the time but he was moving forward quite often in that fight. Roy won't be on the back foot but he will circle Joe and try to keep the fight in the center of the ring. He will be going backwards from time to time though because of Joe's pressure. Joe will not outbox Roy.

I agree