You've said that Calzaghe is just a good fighter, are you trying to tell me that you think the rest of the list are all just good fighters, nothing more? As usual you're contradicting yourself. All this crying about Calzaghe's place on the list is pathetic, for someone who doesn't like him you seem to invest alot of your time on him. How is he not a dangerous fighter when he's the #1 ranked fighter in two weight classes?
Please don't respond to this with you're predictible bullshitt. If you want to talk about Calzaghe that bad go to his forum.
Man, you really are a pessimest when describing Calzaghe, but when Hopkins best win to get him P4P was over a smaller WW you have no problems. Being a slight underdog means nothing, you're quick to point that out when Calzaghe beat Lacy. Even now you have Hopkins high on you P4P list but you don't give Calzaghe any credit for his win. When he beats Pavlik you'll say it's because Pavlik didn't look as good against Taylor at that weight and he is just an exposed fighter LOL. The majortiy of people in this forum have Calzaghe as #2 on the P4P list, along with nearly all websites. It seems we're all wrong and a guy on a message board whose boxing knowledge barely goes beyond Bernard Hopkins is right. Why don't you get in touch with The Ring and tell them you're onto something?
First of all you need slow down a little bit, I know a WHOLE lot more about boxing than you may think I know. Second, remember you made that comment about me knowing it all; well, I'll take that with humility . 3rd, If you want to cheer for a guy who scams the sport I love by beating people through slapping his opponents to submission go ahead, but don't you sit there and compare him to greats like RJ, B-Hop, Tito, Pavlik, or any other great fighters, because those fighters are on a whole other level. Calzaghe is the only man on the P4P list who has been shy to fight the top fighters in the world. Pac-man, B-Hop, Marg, Pav, Cotto, Vasquez, and the other P4P fighters (excluding Cal) all have the hunger to fight the best, while Cal has the hunger to fight old legends for a lot of money. I've got facts to back up my opinions ulster....where's yours???? (keep thinking hard)
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Originally Posted by ulster86
Pavlik should take this one by decision. I'm not ruling out a KO in the later rounds when the pressure starts to take it's toll on Bernard.
Last edited by The Executioner : 08-29-2008 at 01:43 PM.
You've said that Calzaghe is just a good fighter, are you trying to tell me that you think the rest of the list are all just good fighters, nothing more? As usual you're contradicting yourself. All this crying about Calzaghe's place on the list is pathetic, for someone who doesn't like him you seem to invest alot of your time on him. How is he not a dangerous fighter when he's the #1 ranked fighter in two weight classes?
Please don't respond to this with you're predictible bullshitt. If you want to talk about Calzaghe that bad go to his forum.
Your lack of intelligence is showing...when I tell you don't assume...that's exactly what I mean. So what do you do in the next post...assume.
You missed my point entirely...I said that Cal is a good fighter and he's on the P4P list at the #2 spot by default. He hasn't lost, and he beat B-Hop (so he must be ranked higher than B-Hop) and since B-Hop is 4th on the P4P list that makes Cal anything from 2-3. When I said Cal isn't a dangerous fighter anymore, I thought I made myself clear but I guess I didn't. I think Pav is more dangerous who KO'ed JT and Miranda (who was weight shot) and decisioned Taylor , I think Chad Dawson is more dangerous (not ranked)who "beat" Glen Johnson and Adamek (former protected champion) and he also has the fountain of youth on his side and I haven't even mentioned his physical attributes, athleticism and skill; I think Marquez and Valdez should be ranked higher off of mere resume and guts to fight the best and took risks instead of worrying about the 0 in their record. Margarito (who is also known to fight the best)who just TKO'ed the "unbeatable" Miguel Cotto gets more street cred than Cal and that's all that really matters...what the fans think...not where the Ring puts you...because at the end of the day...the fans is what keeps your legacy alive.
When I think of a #2 P4P fighter in the world...I think of an unbeatable phenom who took the game by storm or who is currently taking the sport by storm...Calzaghe hasn't dominated anything but the SMW division and we all know what that division is full of...
Maybe I'm asking too much from one fighter...maybe what I expect Cal to be is unrealistic. I'm asking Cal to step up his resume with REAL fighters and not just names. To fight and beat Pav...to fight and beat Dawson... to fight and beat Glen Johnson. If he does that...I have no choice but to give Cal his props...but he doesn't have the balls to go with it because of his sacred "0". You say I talk about Cal more about anything else...doesn't that hint you to think that I think there's something wrong with the picture he's trying to paint? Or do I have to repeat myself posts 3252462345 times "Like I always do" to pound my point into your head. My factual points are valid and haven't been refuted...you're opinionated points on the other hand are just that...opinion and that's why this arguement is just a big circle of back and forth...I'm done, try refuting me for once instead of the 6 year old potty mouth you're using...
__________________ Calzaghe: ROY...you hit so hard!
Roy Jones Jr: (smiles) I know...I just want to thank my hands...now just think if the rest of me weren't shot...
First of all you need slow down a little bit, I know a WHOLE lot more about boxing than you may think I know. Second, remember you made that comment about me knowing it all and I'll take that with humility . 3rd If you want to cheer for a guy who scams the sport I love by beating people through slapping his opponents to submission go ahead, but don't you sit there and compare him to greats like RJ, B-Hop, Tito, Pavlik, or any other great fighters, because those fighters are on a whole other level. Calzaghe is the only man on the P4P who has been shy to fight the top fighters in the world. Pac-man, B-Hop, Marg, Pav, Cotto, Vasquez, and the other P4P fighters (excluding Cal) all have the hunger to fight the best, while Cal has the hunger to fight old legends for a lot of money. I've got facts to back up my opinions ulster....where's yours???? (keep thinking hard)
Eubank was still a very dangerous fighter when Calzaghe dethroned him, he was still only 31 and went on to almost win the CW title twice after that loss. People don't give Calzaghe any credit for that. Lacy was a good up-and-coming fighter which Calzaghe ruined, I'm pretty sure you'd be one of the people buying into his hype just as you were with Miranda. Then you've got Kessler who was undefeated and known to boxing experts as a very dangerous fighter. Alot of people tip him to beat Pavlik. Then we've got Hopkins who was high on the P4P list arguably beat 3 P4P guys in a row, and was still in great shape going into the Calzaghe fight. But when Calzaghe beat him he was just dismissed as an old guy. Then you've got fighters like Robin Ried that aren't name's in the USA but are still good fighters. He's undisputed SMW champion, and the #1 ranked guy at LHW. Besides resume, he's got obvious talent. He's a great fighter. There's a reason why he's P4P #2, maybe someday you'll understand.
Intellectual, what facts of yours haven't I refuted? You're delusional kid. I've no time for you or your novels, if you expect me to reply to your bullshitt in the future keep it to the point.
First of all you need slow down a little bit, I know a WHOLE lot more about boxing than you may think I know. Second, remember you made that comment about me knowing it all; well, I'll take that with humility . 3rd, If you want to cheer for a guy who scams the sport I love by beating people through slapping his opponents to submission go ahead, but don't you sit there and compare him to greats like RJ, B-Hop, Tito, Pavlik, or any other great fighters, because those fighters are on a whole other level. Calzaghe is the only man on the P4P list who has been shy to fight the top fighters in the world. Pac-man, B-Hop, Marg, Pav, Cotto, Vasquez, and the other P4P fighters (excluding Cal) all have the hunger to fight the best, while Cal has the hunger to fight old legends for a lot of money. I've got facts to back up my opinions ulster....where's yours???? (keep thinking hard)
Exactly...Cal is not a great...but I'll say yet because he's not done until he retires. He has to beat some great fighters (convincingly) to become great.
__________________ Calzaghe: ROY...you hit so hard!
Roy Jones Jr: (smiles) I know...I just want to thank my hands...now just think if the rest of me weren't shot...
Intellectual, what facts of yours haven't I refuted? You're delusional kid. I've no time for you or your novels, if you expect me to reply to your bullshitt in the future keep it to the point.
LOL what facts HAVE you refuted? You say the same thing over and over again because you don't feel like reading my posts. And that's another reason why you assume and get my posts wrong half the time because you don't read it. My posts are "BS" because you can't refute it...you can't name greats on Cal's resume because they aren't there...you can't say Cal is on the same level as RJ or a B-Hop because he's not, you can't say that Cal has fought the best because he hasn't, you can't say Cal was protected because he was... but you try to prove those notions wrong every time and its something you can't prove wrong...the facts are in front of you kid...try reading them for once...
__________________ Calzaghe: ROY...you hit so hard!
Roy Jones Jr: (smiles) I know...I just want to thank my hands...now just think if the rest of me weren't shot...
Eubank was still a very dangerous fighter when Calzaghe dethroned him, he was still only 31 and went on to almost win the CW title twice after that loss. People don't give Calzaghe any credit for that. Lacy was a good up-and-coming fighter which Calzaghe ruined, I'm pretty sure you'd be one of the people buying into his hype just as you were with Miranda. Then you've got Kessler who was undefeated and known to boxing experts as a very dangerous fighter. Alot of people tip him to beat Pavlik. Then we've got Hopkins who was high on the P4P list arguably beat 3 P4P guys in a row, and was still in great shape going into the Calzaghe fight. But when Calzaghe beat him he was just dismissed as an old guy. Then you've got fighters like Robin Ried that aren't name's in the USA but are still good fighters. He's undisputed SMW champion, and the #1 ranked guy at LHW. Besides resume, he's got obvious talent. He's a great fighter. There's a reason why he's P4P #2, maybe someday you'll understand.
I didn't buy into Lacy's hype for the fact I saw him for what he was. A unproven, one-dimensional, powerpuncher. The only thing to beat power is speed, and Cal displayed that to Lacy. It didn't matter who was a boy or man in that bout. Speed beats power 9 times out of 10. And how was there hype with Miranda??? He was a fearless KO artist who was the only man to stop Eastman and guys like Kessler and Taylor ran from him. And I still respect Miranda's heart, will, and powerful attitude. The only guys that were bold enough to voluntarily step in the ring with him was Pav and Abraham. And you named a lot of good fighters in your statements but only one great fighter and he was 43 years of age when Cal stepped in the ring with him. And that's my point, I've never seen a man that's #2 in the world while only fighting 1 great fighter (and he was past his prime).
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Originally Posted by ulster86
Pavlik should take this one by decision. I'm not ruling out a KO in the later rounds when the pressure starts to take it's toll on Bernard.
LOL what facts HAVE you refuted? You say the same thing over and over again because you don't feel like reading my posts. And that's another reason why you assume and get my posts wrong half the time because you don't read it. My posts are "BS" because you can't refute it...you can't name greats on Cal's resume because they aren't there...you can't say Cal is on the same level as RJ or a B-Hop because he's not, you can't say that Cal has fought the best because he hasn't, you can't say Cal was protected because he was... but you try to prove those notions wrong every time and its something you can't prove wrong...the facts are in front of you kid...try reading them for once...
If you look through this whole thread it's you that's been repeating yourself by asking me the same question to which I give you the same answers. Why do you do that? Have you Alzheimers or are you just that annoying? I've never glorified Calzaghe's resume, I've just said it like it is. You on the otherhand have under-mined it to the fullest. I've said before that it could have been better but he reigned at a time when the division was weak, not his fault. The fact is he deserves his spot as #2 P4P like the majority of people recognise.
Anyway, I'm going out soon so looks like we'll have to put the never ending discussion on hold.
Does RJ have a chance against Calzaghe?
. 3rd, If you want to cheer for a guy who scams the sport I love by beating people through slapping his opponents to submission go ahead, but don't you sit there and compare him to greats like RJ, B-Hop, Tito, Pavlik, or any other great fighters, because those fighters are on a whole other level. Calzaghe is the only man on the P4P list who has been shy to fight the top fighters in the world. Pac-man, B-Hop, Marg, Pav, Cotto, Vasquez, and the other P4P fighters (excluding Cal) all have the hunger to fight the best, while Cal has the hunger to fight old legends for a lot of money. I've got facts to back up my opinions ulster....where's yours???? (keep thinking hard)
Then you've got Kessler who was undefeated and known to boxing experts as a very dangerous fighter. Alot of people tip him to beat Pavlik. Then we've got Hopkins who was high on the P4P list arguably beat 3 P4P guys in a row, and was still in great shape going into the Calzaghe fight. But when Calzaghe beat him he was just dismissed as an old guy. Then you've got fighters like Robin Ried that aren't name's in the USA but are still good fighters. He's undisputed SMW champion, and the #1 ranked guy at LHW. Besides resume, he's got obvious talent. He's a great fighter. There's a reason why he's P4P #2, maybe someday you'll understand.