[ulster86]

Originally Posted by Wicked Shot

When did I say that? I think Jones is more than worthy.

You didn't say it. That's why I asked you the question.

Why do you think RJ is worthy of a shot against Calzaghe?

[Unseen]

Originally Posted by Wicked Shot

What did Peter Manfredo do to earn his shot at Calzaghe?

he is cheap and was suppose to make joe more wel known in the states. i am not sure if it did, infact i think it made joe look bad. he couldn't show his skills to the yanks and that stoppage was too fast. i remember waiting about 4 months for that fight. what a disapointment.

i'm not saying it was a good fight, or manfredo was deserving, but that was the plan. the ref should have realsied that manfredo wasn't there to be competitive because he just aint. he should have realised that joe was suppose to show what his skills were. in stopping the fight early it was just sickening.

[Wicked Shot]

Originally Posted by ulster86

You didn't say it. That's why I asked you the question.

Why do you think RJ is worthy of a shot against Calzaghe?

There's a difference between being a worthy opponent. And being worthy of a title shot. Jones is a worthy opponent. Is he worthy of a title shot? No. He hasn't really done much recently to earn that. But that doesn't matter. Was Calzaghe worthy of a title shot against Hopkins? No. He had never fought at 175 before. He never earned a title shot. But obviously he was a worthy opponent.

[ulster86]

Originally Posted by Wicked Shot

There's a difference between being a worthy opponent. And being worthy of a title shot. Jones is a worthy opponent. Is he worthy of a title shot? No. He hasn't really done much recently to earn that. But that doesn't matter. Was Calzaghe worthy of a title shot against Hopkins? No. He had never fought at 175 before. He never earned a title shot. But obviously he was a worthy opponent.

I understand where you're coming from but I don't really agree with it. Roy wouldn't be at all hard done by if Calzaghe didn't fight him. There is a big difference in Cal-Jones and Cal-Hopkins. Calzaghe was more than worthy of a title shot with Hopkins because he was the undisputed SMW and rated high in the P4P rankings.

[Balistik]

Originally Posted by Unseen

joe is a very good counter puncher. he goes in and out, he will add some flurries, he will jab away.

Joe is a good counterpuncher I give him that but Roy's counterpunching abilites are something else man. That's one of the few things he has left.

Originally Posted by Unseen

if joe chases roy, then imo roy can still hit joe slightly faster and move away. joe's best weapon is waiting for someone to punch but also mixing it with combo's. i know if you give roy too much respect then he fights better, but i can't see him beating roy in the same way he fought hopkins.

Joe's opponents don't have to chase him because he's right there. He has good in & out and side to side movement but he doesn't circle his opponents that much and moves forward quite often. Joe can counter guys like Lacy and Kessler easily but trying to fight smart against guys like B-Hop or Roy is a whole different ballgame. What he needs to do is put pressure on Roy and throw a lot of punches so he can win most of the rounds on activity alone.

Originally Posted by Unseen

i feel 100% that joe has enough hand speed and throws enough to match roy. roy is a dominant boxer, but calzaghe thrives on people coming at him. if roy tries to control the fight from the centre, he will be chasing calzaghe all day long. calzaghe isn't a clinton woods who would get destroyed. calzaghe has good footwork and will make people miss if they chase him. that is why i honetly do not feel roy will win if he takes centre stage.

Roy will not chase Joe it's the other way around. Roy would outspeed and outsmart Joe in the center of the ring but he doesn't fight well when you put pressure on him these days and his stamina is poor that's why a busy guy like Joe is a bad matchup for him.

[Intellectual 1]

Originally Posted by ulster86

I understand where you're coming from but I don't really agree with it. Roy wouldn't be at all hard done by if Calzaghe didn't fight him. There is a big difference in Cal-Jones and Cal-Hopkins. Calzaghe was more than worthy of a title shot with Hopkins because he was the undisputed SMW and rated high in the P4P rankings.

You're right...RJ isn't worthy of a title shot. But we all have to remember one thing...RJ doesn't benefit winning the LHW title as much as Cal would if beats RJ and have his name under his belt. In that aspect most people would think that Cal beats RJ and that solifies his legacy...wrong. Barely beating an old hopkins and beating a past the prime RJ doesn't really solidify anything. It just shows me how careful Cal and Warren choose their schedule and know when to fight the big names. RJ and B-Hop in their primes would have given Cal his toughest two fights (B-Hop and RJ would still give him his toughest two fights of his career anyways) of his career and he definitely would be the underdog in both fights. I just want to see Cal fight someone legit in their prime that is skilled. He did go on a limb by fighting a dangerous Kessler...but why doesn't he do that more often? Is he afraid? Is he afraid to lose it all? The All-Time greats put it all on the line for the sport of boxing and they sacrifice themselves to become great. You can't be careful your entire career and become great...that's not the way boxing works...but that's just my IMO

[Intellectual 1]

Originally Posted by Balistik

Joe is a good counterpuncher I give him that but Roy's counterpunching abilites are something else man. That's one of the few things he has left.


Joe's opponents don't have to chase him because he's right there. He has good in & out and side to side movement but he doesn't circle his opponents that much and moves forward quite often. Joe can counter guys like Lacy and Kessler easily but trying to fight smart against guys like B-Hop or Roy is a whole different ballgame. What he needs to do is put pressure on Roy and throw a lot of punches so he can win most of the rounds on activity alone.


Roy will not chase Joe it's the other way around. Roy would outspeed and outsmart Joe in the center of the ring but he doesn't fight well when you put pressure on him these days and his stamina is poor that's why a busy guy like Joe is a bad matchup for him.

Money post...I agree with everything you said except RJ's stamina. I think his stamina (as well as his chin) is a bit underrated but it still doesn't stand against Cal's stamina at this stage of his career. RJ will expend energy when he knows he needs to turn it on and take time off when he can afford it. I've never seen RJ struggle with stamina other than the Tarver-I and Glen Johnson fight...

[Wicked Shot]

Originally Posted by ulster86

I understand where you're coming from but I don't really agree with it. Roy wouldn't be at all hard done by if Calzaghe didn't fight him. There is a big difference in Cal-Jones and Cal-Hopkins. Calzaghe was more than worthy of a title shot with Hopkins because he was the undisputed SMW and rated high in the P4P rankings.

I'll tell you what I don't understand. People saying Jones is unworthy and criticizing him. If Jones is so unworthy, why is he being criticize? Jump on Calzaghe for looking for the fight. Criticize him. He's the one calling the shots.

[ulster86]

Originally Posted by Intellectual 1

You're right...RJ isn't worthy of a title shot. But we all have to remember one thing...RJ doesn't benefit winning the LHW title as much as Cal would if beats RJ and have his name under his belt. In that aspect most people would think that Cal beats RJ and that solifies his legacy...wrong. Barely beating an old hopkins and beating a past the prime RJ doesn't really solidify anything. It just shows me how careful Cal and Warren choose their schedule and know when to fight the big names. RJ and B-Hop in their primes would have given Cal his toughest two fights (B-Hop and RJ would still give him his toughest two fights of his career anyways) of his career and he definitely would be the underdog in both fights. I just want to see Cal fight someone legit in their prime that is skilled. He did go on a limb by fighting a dangerous Kessler...but why doesn't he do that more often? Is he afraid? Is he afraid to lose it all? The All-Time greats put it all on the line for the sport of boxing and they sacrifice themselves to become great. You can't be careful your entire career and become great...that's not the way boxing works...but that's just my IMO

Calzaghe has spoke about how he would have loved to step up the competition sooner, but people like Hopkins and Roy Jones weren't interested in him because he wasn't a household name in the States. Maybe Calzaghe should have forced the issue more but I blame Warren for wrapping him up in cotton wool. I don't think Calzaghe is afraid of anyone and if I had his ability, I wouldn't be either. At the minute the only guy worth mentioning for a superfight with Joe is Pavlik and I don't give him much of a shot. I'll stand by my word that Calzaghe-Jones prime is a toss up. This version of Jones might rattle Calzaghe (although I doubt it) but he'll never win this fight.