[godofwar]

Does it matter who the next president is or probably not?


And if Romney is elected and has the same exact performance as Obama will we elect him out after 4 years or leave him in office like fools? How much power does the president have, are they really controlling that much or not as much as people are lead to believe?

[Bigblock]

Originally Posted by godofwar

Does it matter who the next president is or probably not?


And if Romney is elected and has the same exact performance as Obama will we elect him out after 4 years or leave him in office like fools? How much power does the president have, are they really controlling that much or not as much as people are lead to believe?

Presidents seem to be able to do more during the second term without having to worry about pandering to certain groups for reelection money.

Obama is **** but compared to Romney he is great. If the votes are even near 50/50 then elections are rigged just to make it look close because Romney is comically bad.

[bill1234]

I do not belive Obama is a good president, and I'm also not going to blame the problems from Bush's presidency for Obama's poor performance as president. Obama was elected to fix the problems, he has not and the country is not in a better position than we were 4 years ago.

To be honest, even if Romney is elected, I do not think he will change much, just like Obama changed very little. The only time real change would occur is if somebody that isn't a republican or democrat is elected. Until that happens, we are going to continue to cycle through presidents who do not do much of anything.

It is sort of ironic/sad in a way that many people ask for a good, 3rd party person to run for president and when one actually pops up, they refuse to vote for them because they will just lose anyway.

[bill1234]

Originally Posted by Bigblock

Presidents seem to be able to do more during the second term without having to worry about pandering to certain groups for reelection money.

Obama is **** but compared to Romney he is great. If the votes are even near 50/50 then elections are rigged just to make it look close because Romney is comically bad.

I disagree, Obama's term has been pretty bad and has plenty of things for Romney to attack. Romney isn't the best candidate, but he can still look good next to Obama if he campaigns correctly.

[Bigblock]

Originally Posted by bill1234

I disagree, Obama's term has been pretty bad and has plenty of things for Romney to attack. Romney isn't the best candidate, but he can still look good next to Obama if he campaigns correctly.

Guys a joke. Nothing he says he believes in is true. He flip flops and lies more than John Kerry. Having Obama as president is bad enough, Romney as president is catastrophic. I highly dislike Obama but I'll be voting for him over the joke bastard Romney.

[carob]

As people, who'd you rather hang with? They're both politicians, but Obama's down to earth, hip, aware, funny, and has good taste in music. Romney's a cardboard cut-out.

O's main problem is that the President can't push everything he wants past Congress. This may be a good safeguard, but it's frustrating. So much of what he wants to do get snuffed by Congress...or it's such a hassle (like health care) that it takes up all time and energy.

Even so, there are many problems that just don't have a simple fix. The entire free world (I exclude China) is in a depression. The biggest experts have conflicting views on how to get our economy healthy again. And unlike China, child labor is not an option. China's method of strict birth control also is not something we'll conside here, even of there are way too many Kardashians.

I don't think it can be overstated how severely damaging Bush was to America's image around the world. Obama has eased tensions in the Middle East...even though HE was the guy who took out Bin Laden.

Romney will appeal to the Tea Party and extremists who have a very narrow view of the world: Everything can go to hell as long as gays can't marry, guns are everywhere, and nobody can get an abortion.

[Bigblock]

Originally Posted by carob

Romney will appeal to the Tea Party and extremists who have a very narrow view of the world: Everything can go to hell as long as gays can't marry, guns are everywhere, and nobody can get an abortion.

Romney is very anti-gun.

[bill1234]

Originally Posted by carob

As people, who'd you rather hang with? They're both politicians, but Obama's down to earth, hip, aware, funny, and has good taste in music. Romney's a cardboard cut-out.

O's main problem is that the President can't push everything he wants past Congress. This may be a good safeguard, but it's frustrating. So much of what he wants to do get snuffed by Congress...or it's such a hassle (like health care) that it takes up all time and energy.

Even so, there are many problems that just don't have a simple fix. The entire free world (I exclude China) is in a depression. The biggest experts have conflicting views on how to get our economy healthy again. And unlike China, child labor is not an option. China's method of strict birth control also is not something we'll conside here, even of there are way too many Kardashians.

I don't think it can be overstated how severely damaging Bush was to America's image around the world. Obama has eased tensions in the Middle East...even though HE was the guy who took out Bin Laden.

Romney will appeal to the Tea Party and extremists who have a very narrow view of the world: Everything can go to hell as long as gays can't marry, guns are everywhere, and nobody can get an abortion.

Bush was indeed a bad president, but at the same time terrible things happened to the economy when he was president that were out of his control. Obama may have a good image to the world, but that doesn't make him any more of an acomplished president. The stage was perfect for him to do what he wanted when he took office, and he did manage to jam things through, but those things ended up being unpopular and resulted in many democrats getting booted out of office by republicans in the elections 2 years later.

I honestly do not believe any form of change (not a pun on Obama's 2008 campaign slogan) will occur unless a person who genuinely wants to make changes gets into office. A person like Ron Paul, for instance, would definitely actually make a difference in the country for better or worse. He has taken a very consistant stance on policies for decades and it's easy to see that he actually means and believes what he says he wants done.

This upcomming election will be close, I think, if Romney is agressive. In the 2008 elections, Obama preached of "hope" and "change" yet 4 years later the only "change" we've seen is a much larger deficit than when he first took office and Bin Laden is no longer hiding in a compound in the desert. Many people actually believed Obama when he preached of hope and change back in 2008. Here we are in 2012, and many are very unhappy with Obama and what he did, they won't be falling for his new "progress" slogan. They likely won't vote for him either. Obama will most likely pull like 95% of the black votes as he did in 2008. I don't see him pulling 70% of the first time voters either this time around. In 2008 many voted for Obama because it was the cool thing to do. It was like a fad to support Obama then.

Granted, Obama is still a far better speaker and can project a better image of himself than Romney can, that does not change the overall disatisfaction of the majority of Americans with him.

[HUGOBOX]

Originally Posted by bill1234

I do not belive Obama is a good president, and I'm also not going to blame the problems from Bush's presidency for Obama's poor performance as president. Obama was elected to fix the problems, he has not and the country is not in a better position than we were 4 years ago.

To be honest, even if Romney is elected, I do not think he will change much, just like Obama changed very little. The only time real change would occur is if somebody that isn't a republican or democrat is elected. Until that happens, we are going to continue to cycle through presidents who do not do much of anything.

It is sort of ironic/sad in a way that many people ask for a good, 3rd party person to run for president and when one actually pops up, they refuse to vote for them because they will just lose anyway.

You make it sound as if the man was supposed to pull out his magic wang and make everything honkydory, I'm guessing you don't know much about politics cause sure as zhit things don't work like that, everything has it's due process and at the high levels of goverment the zhit gets real complicated as much as he would like to please everyone it's just not possible for one man to call all of the shots, it's not like the medieble days where kings and queen beheaded anyone who opposed them, you need a relity check, Obama may not be your dream president but I seriously doubt any one can be any more, the problems are simply way too overwhelming and way too complicated to resolve...

[bill1234]

Originally Posted by HUGOBOX

You make it sound as if the man was supposed to pull out his magic wang and make everything honkydory, I'm guessing you don't know much about politics cause sure as zhit things don't work like that, everything has it's due process and at the high levels of goverment the zhit gets real complicated as much as he would like to please everyone it's just not possible for one man to call all of the shots, it's not like the medieble days where kings and queen beheaded anyone who opposed them, you need a relity check, Obama may not be your dream president but I seriously doubt any one can be any more, the problems are simply way too overwhelming and way too complicated to resolve...

I understand that it's extremely difficult and very complicated to do anything as president. Obama promised to turn the country around by 2012 when he was first running for president and said that we shouldn't relect him if he hasn't done it. Well, we're in the same problem we were 4 years ago with a much larger deficit. The things that Obama managed to jam through during the first 2 years in office did not work. Congress was full of democrats, what they and Obama did in that time frame pissed off a lot of people and more recently the health bill that was passed further pissed a lot of people off.

As I said earlier, I expect no major changes to occur in this country unless someone like Ron Paul is elected.