mjp28

Tyson was UNBEATABLE, except by himself and "new" crowd. With Cus and old corner he might have gone 50-0.
I once heard the "Official Tyson Fan Club" was headed up by Don King's daughter, at $52,000/yr.

Ali, smartest and great chin (not always noted).
Joe Louis, great fighter and person.

But the question, P4P, hmmmm. Tough one.
Like which is the best car or most beautiful woman.

Let's say who would you NOT want to fight!
Duran was a tough SOB!!!

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bill1234

I beg to differ.

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mjp28

I saw every fight as I'm sure you did. Some guys were scared to be in the ring with him.

He was short but had a devastating upper cut. He fought completely covered up, even a 6'5" guy couldn't use reach well against him.

He blew through his opposition. At 50:1 my bookie took his fight vs "Buster" off. He was so unfocused at that time it was pitiful.

Plus a few years in jail didn't help his career.

ALSO the Ali, Frazier, Foreman (early version) and others were gone.

Just my 2 cents.....mjp

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mjp28

A quick P.S. ask Teddy Atlas among others about his leaving the "Cus" camp and corner on his career.

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bill1234

But that's just it the people were afraid and didn't want to fight. The ones that did troubled Tyson. The best wins of his career are the ones over an old, out of shape, and rusty Holmes. And an old, rusty, and out of shape Michael Spinks.

Tyson was beatable. He didn't have heart, once you hit him hard and hurt him or dropped him, he was out of the fight. He never came back from behind to win a fight. He could be out slugged and out boxed. People like Tillis and Lewis who had good jabs gave him trouble. And people who applied a lot of pressure gave him trouble.

I would pick guys like Holmes, Ali, Lewis, Marciano, Frazier, Foreman, Dempsey, Tunney, Johnson, and Liston over him in a fight.

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daveDaboxingfan

Your opinion is as biased about Tyson as mines is about that other guy.
Lewis will never get my 100% respect because he ducked before jail Tyson and so did Evander. The only guy I give credit for taking the fight to Tyson was Fatso Douglas and even in that fight they gave to Fatso with a 15 or 16 second count.

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Captainobvious

Sugar Ray Robinson.

Clearly in my book.

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bill1234

It was closer to 11, and the count doesn't start until the fighter is in the neutral corner. So that bought Douglas about 2 seconds.

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mjp28

It could have been 20, it didn't matter.

Tyson was crawling around on the deck trying to put his mouthpiece back into his mouth which he never was able to do....he was toast.

Actually Buster was in great shape for a change!
He then put a ton of weight back on and never was a serious boxer again.

But hey, he was "The Champ".

I also remember the Japanese crowds just following Tyson everywhere he went before the fight. He looked so disinterested about the whole deal.

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mjp28

OK Bill, you made me do some homework....hey I've been out of grad school for 23 years, but I guess it was a good thing.

Tyson 50-6-2, he had so many 1 round KOs it wasn't funny early on but besides his ring record his personal record is like a bad soap opera or really bad novel.

I almost forgot Cus died in 1985. Also Robin Givens and her crazy mother, his throwing furniture out of the house, ramming his car into a tree. Blowing all of his money, it goes on and on.

Still he was "the baddest man on the planet" for awhile.

That's why these P4P discussions are fun!
There maybe 10 or 15 good candidates.....and we all have ours.

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