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niko · 10-17-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bill1234

Yeah, Liston could beat an old Marciano. In their primes it would be a heck of a fight though. I would give it to Marciano by late round KO.

Everybody knows the good things about Liston,i.m.o. here is a couple of negitive. After the Clay/Ali matches I kind of question his heart.Discouraged and quiting on his stool,and I think he took a dive in the second fight.Also heard that when he seen his own blood he had a tendancy to panic,like in the Leotis Martin fight.Speaking of Martin,that devistating right hand he threw kncocked Liston flat.If Marciano had anything at all it was right hand k.o.power.
Marciano probably had the shortest reach in heavy history.He would have to survive Listons jab (not to mention his Power) in the early rounds and hope to catch him in the later rounds.Marciano seemed to have tremendous stamina and was always in great shape.
Marcianos weight was mostly under 190.Liston 210 or later in his career more.

**bill1234** · 10-17-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by niko

Everybody knows the good things about Liston,i.m.o. here is a couple of negitive. After the Clay/Ali matches I kind of question his heart.Discouraged and quiting on his stool,and I think he took a dive in the second fight.Also heard that when he seen his own blood he had a tendancy to panic,like in the Leotis Martin fight.Speaking of Martin,that devistating right hand he threw kncocked Liston flat.If Marciano had anything at all it was right hand k.o.power.
Marciano probably had the shortest reach in heavy history.He would have to survive Listons jab (not to mention his Power) in the early rounds and hope to catch him in the later rounds.Marciano seemed to have tremendous stamina and was always in great shape.
Marcianos weight was mostly under 190.Liston 210 or later in his career more.

Marciano had the shortest reach (68'') of any heavyweight champ. Marciano had a better right than Liston, the onlt thing was Listons jab. Liston had a great jab, but in a slug fest Marciano would KO Liston around the 6th or 7th.

Sonny Liston · 10-18-2006, 01:23 AM

Marciono was kind of young (depending on what you're definition of young is) when he retired... 33 I think he was... if not 32... and he boxed Pro. for 9 Yrs!

rod flynn · 10-18-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bill1234

Yeah, Liston could beat an old Marciano. In their primes it would be a heck of a fight though. I would give it to Marciano by late round KO.

YOUR LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT SIZED MEN HERE.I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE ROCK WOULD K.O.SONNY.LETS FACE IT, AMIGO,IT COULD HAVE
WENT EITHER WAY.IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A PLEASANT BOUT FOR
EITHER ONE OF THEM.

**bill1234** · 10-18-2006, 04:11 PM

You mean a 3'' difference? Thats nothing. Marciano was always around 189-191. He had a huge right. He had a better right than Liston for sure. He could take a better shot and had more stamina too. Listons jab might keep Marciano away for a round or two, but after that Liston would be done for. I know Liston was a slugger with a good jab, but Marciano could slug it out with anyone.

niko · 10-18-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by White Tyson

Marciono was kind of young (depending on what you're definition of young is) when he retired... 33 I think he was... if not 32... and he boxed Pro. for 9 Yrs!

Marciano started his pro career kind of late.I think he was closer to 25.
People differ in the way they age. Even tho Rocky kept himself in great shape considering,his style of fighting I think he quit about the right time.

**bill1234** · 10-18-2006, 07:31 PM

Marciano was always in great shape. If he wanted to he could have gone 50-0 but he wanted to retire.

niko · 10-18-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bill1234

You mean a 3'' difference? Thats nothing. Marciano was always around 189-191. He had a huge right. He had a better right than Liston for sure. He could take a better shot and had more stamina too. Listons jab might keep Marciano away for a round or two, but after that Liston would be done for. I know Liston was a slugger with a good jab, but Marciano could slug it out with anyone.

Like I stated earlier Marciano has qualities to win like Determination,stamina,punch and anything else you might want to
add,but size is not one of them. Liston average about 215 with a 84" reach.Marciano all most always under 190 with a 67" reach.
If they were ever matched up I think they would have to bulk Rocky up.

**bill1234** · 10-18-2006, 07:55 PM

Marciano had a 68'' reach, I dont really think Liston had an 84'' reach, because Lennox Lewis was 6'5'' and had an 84'' reach, Liston was 6'1''. Liston probably had a reach of 75-78'' reach.