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**bill1234** · 11-10-2006, 07:32 PM

What is your intake on this fight? Mine is that when Moore dropped Marciano, it was a flash knockdown. Moore did good in the first 3 rounds, but after that the Rock just overwhelmed him and KO'd him in the 9th. Marciano had Moore beat in the 8th, and finished his work in the 9th. Marciano enteing the ring with 48 wins 0 lost 0 draws and 42 knock outs added his final win/KO to his undefeated record for the last time in history. So if youve seen/ heard about the fight please responed. Thanks... Bill1234

The Auctioneer · 11-10-2006, 07:45 PM

Few survived the Rock's body work. This would have been a great fight if Archie was just 10 years younger.Moore's exp kept him in a lot of fights but could not out last the Rock. Another interesting aspect would be if they fought more than once as with other great fighters.Maybe Archie or someone else could have beaten the Rock.

**bill1234** · 11-11-2006, 11:47 AM

Archie wouldn't have beaten the Rock, if anybody would have it would have been Liston that got an old Marciano.

JCC · 11-11-2006, 05:37 PM

Hey, Bill. Thanks for starting this discussion. Later, as I come to have more time to spend here. I want to talk more about the Marciano-Moore fight!

I really liked this fight! And every time I've watched the fight again ... the whole fight on tape ... two different tapes of this fight actually, that was shot from two different angles or different angles with the more limited technology that was available back then. Still I'm seeing more things about the fight that I hadn't noticed each time I've watched both tapes of that same fight.

Of course, Marciano won the fight, and won by a knockout in a late round ... but it really was a great fight!

One of the things that I was most notably impressed about Archie Moore in that fight was how he fainted with his head and shoulders ... and made Marciano miss alot of punches ... and in how also how he picked off and was able to block so many of Marciano's punches even combination punches, and did so even when Marciano had Moore cornered in the ring.

Archie Moore was a very clever and great fighter. He didn't win, but still I'm very impressed as for the way he carried himself and the way he fought that fight.

I'll say more about it later.

Again, thanks for starting this thread.

JCC

**bill1234** · 11-11-2006, 06:56 PM

No problem, it was my pleasure starting the thread. I dido what you said 100% about how Moore was very clever.

The Auctioneer · 11-13-2006, 08:24 AM

He was clever and he still had some power,When Big George Foreman was making his come back, he consulted with Moore and credits him with his defense in the second half of his career.......I still say that there were a number of fighters that could have beaten Rocky , only if he fought more and the same guys more than ounce. He obviously got out at the right time.

JCC · 11-13-2006, 08:57 AM

Going into this fight! Archie Moore was the light heavyweight champion of the world ... there were only 8 weight divisons in those days.

Archie Moore had been pressing hard for a fight with Rocky Mariano for the world heavyweight title and came to the point that fans were demanding it.

Archie Moore was a great fighter in that era. Then at age 38, going into the fight with Maricano, Moore's professional record was 167 fights, 22 losses, 6 draws, with 111 KO's.

Archie Moore was a very skilled fighter going into the fight with a younger Marciano. Moore was a very clever and tricky fighter, he could box, and he could punch. He was an all around great fighter.

There was no more worthy a contender for Marciano at the time than Archie Moore, and the Marciano camp believed that Moore may would be Marciano's toughest fight.

Going into the fight ... in Moore's last three fights, he had Ko'd Harold Johnson and Carl "Bobo" Olson and decisioned Nino Valdez. Since winning the world light heavyweight championship title from Joey Maxin in 1952, and Moore had successfully defended the title four times.

Only Ezzard Charles, whom Moore fought in the mid 1940s, had been able to dominate Moore. Ezzard fought Moore three times without defeat, decisioning him twice and knocking him out once, which was a considerable feat since Mooore had only been KO'd four times out of 167 fights before his fight with Marciano. Moore also had won his last 20 fights going into the fight with Marciano.

The fight was schuduled for September 20, 1955, and was postponed one day because of the threat of a hurricane moving up the Atlantic Coast.

The largest crowd ever to see Marciano fight, 61, 574 fans showed up at Yankee Stadium while hundreds of thousands crammed closed-circuit-television theaters across the country to see the Marciano-Moore fight.

The fight would gross $ 2,248,117, then second only to the second Dempsey-Tunny fight in earnings.

JC

JCC · 11-13-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Auctioneer

I still say that there were a number of fighters that could have beaten Rocky , only if he fought more and the same guys more than ounce. He obviously got out at the right time.

I think your right! And while Marciano is my favorite fighter, I will admit there to be alot of hype out there among Marciano fans.

But if he had continued to fight ... and didn't retire when he did, eventually someone would have beat him.

Recently, it was brought to my attention that at the time of the Marciano-Moore fight! Nino Valdez ... was the leading contender in the heavyweight division. But he was never given a title shot. He never did get a title shot!

Some say the Marciano people were ducking him, not Marciano ... but his manager Al Weill did not want Marciano to fight Valdez.

Marciano was somewhat upset that he didn't fight more often than he did.

Of course, his manager Al Weill controlled that, but Marciano did manage to have successfully defended the title 5 times before retiring.

I think if there had been a Marciano-Valdez fight! It would have been a good fight! But I don't think Valdez could have beaten Marciano. But Nino Valdez was really good fighter.

When I recently watched the tape of the Marciano-Moore fight again, of the whole fight. I noticed Valdez was there that night, and did a walk through in the ring, and it was announced that he was at the time of that fight the leading heavyweight contender.

If Marciano had not of retired when he did. I think he may could have continued to keep the title for a good while longer. I see no one out there at the time I think who could have beaten him.

But as I understand it there are a number of reasons why Marciano retired when he did, and why he did, and it was much for reasons he did not like his manager Al Weill (he was under contract with) and the way he was treating him.

It was the money!

Marciano had long since believed Weill had been cheating him.

Charley Goldman, Marciano's trainer, he and Goldman had a great relationship. But as for Mariano's manager Al Weill, they never did even from the very beginning really.

If it had not been for Weill, and Marciano had been treated better by him, he may would have stayed longer before retiring.

But at the time Marciano retired, he had alot of money, and after retiring he continued to have alot of money, and he was comfortable. He really didn't need to fight any more.

JCC