Sonny Liston

I'm sick and tired of boxers who make excuses of dodge!!!

From Rid**** Bowe to dodging Lennox Lewis... right up until Mike Tyson's trainers claiming that he didn't prepare properly...

The only acception to an excuse would be Tyson/Douglas... EVERYBODY KNOWS TYSON DID LITTLE-NO PREPARATION FOR THAT FIGHT!!!

Other than that... if you lose a fight... or dodge an opponent... there are problems... and that just so happens to be the case in the Heavyweight Division at the moment!!!

JCC

I'd heard he didn't train as hard as he should have because he underestimated Douglas. It seemed that by that time in 1990 that Tyson had become over confident. Some say that after Douglas had beaten Tyson by having KO'd him, that Tyson was never quite the same fighter again after that.

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Sonny Liston

The best ever Mike Tyson fight was when he DEMOLISHED Michael Spinks in 91 seconds. Boxing critics didn't see him as the true champion... everybody thought it would be a close fight... Michael Spinks was a Gold Medalist... former champ... beat Holmes twice... and was undefeated... so many people thought this would be a really close one! MIKE TYSON DARN NEAR KILLED HIM... that was the pinnacle of his career... and in my opinion... the last time we ever saw a complete Mike Tyson as the absolute very best he could possibly be... and it was 3 days before he turned 22! DAMN... he peaked so young!

JCC

I say your right it shouldn't happen especially between a guy that is the champion and someone who is a leading contender or has earned a title shot. On the other hand, I would not say its wrong for an inexperienced fighter coming up to dodge a by far more experience fighter before he's ready.

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bill1234

Spinks didn't beat Holmes twice, Holmes was robbed twice.

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Sonny Liston

I knew you'd say that... I agree with you as well... but the official result was Spinks beating Larry Holmes TWICE... as much as we all know it sucks!!! BACK TO JAKE LAMOTTA... how do you think a guy like Jake LaMotta (in his prime of course) would go against all of the top Middleweight Boxers in the year '07?

JCC

I'm not all that sure there are any middleweights today that would even have the guts to fight ... "The Bronx Bull" Jake LaMotta in his prime. LaMotta would murder all those bums out there today. And as for the so called champs up there now however many of them there are today. I've lost count how many in being there is no longer any one world champion any more. LaMotta in his prime could have lined them all up, one right after another, and taken them all out a day apart.

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Sonny Liston

I could not agree more... Jake LaMotta RULES!

bill1234

Lets just say we would need a lot of volunteer boxers to fill the division because he would put all of them 6ft under within 5 rounds.

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TommyGunn

if you pardon the pun, taylor is taylor made for la motta, jake would have stocked him alnight, but jake was never renowned as a puncher i think he wins a 12 round u.d.