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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
He retired Martin Castillo who was an excellent fighter. He destroyed Luis Maldonado worse and quicker than Darchinyan and Donaire did. He went into Z Gorres home country the Philippines and beat him there. He gave Ivan Hernandez his first lost and pretty much ruined him. He also beat a good young fighter in Pedro Alcazar to death. He's only lost twice. Both on points. And both times he deserved the win.
Montiel resume easily trumps Guzman, Mijares, Haye, Darchinyan, Donaire and Abraham. All who for some reason are listed ahead of him.
Another thing is were the fukk is Ulises Solis at? Casamayor? Caballero? The list is bad.
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Guzman has had a title in 2 weight classes and has gone up 4 without being defeated. He has a clear (almost easy) UD against the now #1 at 130 and perennial contender Barrios.
Mijares had unified 2 titles and been on a dominant run. He ruined an Arce that was on a long winning streak, shutout perennial contender Navarro, and convincingly beat then champ Munoz.
Haye took 2 titles away from Mormeck by knocking him out, added a 3rd knocking out Maccarinelli on a long winning streak and has knocked every fighter he's ever faced except 1. With 2 knockout at a higher weight class.
Darchinyan took a title away from Pacheco and was knocking out everyone in his division on national tv. Got knocked out, moved up, was robbed against Gorres, dominated titlist Kirilov, and then did pretty much the same against #8,9 or 10 P4P Mijares.
Donaire beat him up knocked him out, took Darchinyan's place in the rankings and has stopped his last 2 opponents.
Abraham has a long streak with the IBF title knocking out very solid competition and he's the second fighter to beat Miranda and he did it at Edison's weight.
Montiel lacks a win over a name opponent and visibility; the win over Castillo is what got him in the list dominating Maldaonado moved him up a spot he needs to build on that. He has 2 solid defense streaks at 2 different weight classes so he belongs on the list, but not where you want him. L's against his most recognizable opposition does that to him; he'll get his chance to get in or close to the top 10 in March.
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Originally Posted by ulster86
I'd have to disagree there. Calzaghe is considered the best in the division, Dawson isn't even 2nd best in the division and he's lucky to claim 3rd best IMO. Cotto's resume smokes Dawson's, especially if Dawson-Johnson was scored right.
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This doesn't make any sense. Both of the guys that are considered better than him in the division are ahead of him in the P4P rankings too. So what? Are you trying to say there can't be 3 people from the same division in the top 10?
What if Juan Manuel Lopez beats Caballero; should he not be in?
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Originally Posted by NFFC
1. He ain't considered the best in his division.
2. He shouldn't even be undefeated.
3. Johnson fight was a robbery and Tarver was shot.
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1. You don't have a case if they're ahead in the P4P ranking as well.
2 & 3. He won that fight by UD. I didn't watch that fight live and when I saw spoilers of the fight where the comments saying Glen was robbed. I watched the fight to see if it was true: It wasn't. There was no robbery there Chad won rounds point blank.
Boxingforum Top 25 Pound For Pound Ranking - November 2008
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Pac-man has obviously fought and beat the harder competition and he's beating them in multiple weight classes. His last loss was in 2005 yet you demote him two spots...I have no clue. I'd rearrange my P4P list before I declare something funny. 
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