magicjack

I think this would be a all-time great fight.

I think they would have fought 3 times,with Tyson winning the 1st fight and Ali winning the rematch and rubber match.

I would love to see the 1st round with Tyson coming after Ali at jungle speed,and Ali moving and dancing like he did against Sonny Liston.

I will break down the fights at a later time.

Who do you think would have won and why?

Speedy Gon

after reading around this forum, and realising tyson didn't like long fights, definately Ali.

what i'd also like to know, how many top fighters did tyson fight? i know about lennox and hollyfield, but who else?

Sweet Pea

Here is a good way of looking at it, this is courtesy of Obama. It lists the A-level, A- level, B level and B- level fighters Tyson fought. They're all ranked accordingly. So for example, Tyson beat Larry Holmes but Holmes was over the hill so rather than the A level fighter he was in his prime, he was only A- when Tyson beat him.

Resume Evaluation:

Notable Wins:
Jesse Ferguson
Marvis Frazier
Jose Ribalta
Alonzo Ratliff
Trevor Berbick
James 'Bonecrusher' Smith
Pinklon Thomas
Tony Tucker [Undefeated]
Tyrell Biggs [Undefeated]
Larry Holmes [Over the hill]
Tony Tubbs
Michael Spinks [Undefeated] [Post-Prime]
Frank Bruno (x2) [Post-Prime in 2nd bout]
Carl 'The Truth' Williams
Alex Stewart
Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock (x2)
Buster Mathis Jr. [Undefeated]
Bruce Seldon
Francois Botha
Lou Savarese
Brian Nielsen
Clifford Etienne
Notable NCs:
Orlin Norris
Andrew Golota
Notable Losses:
James 'Buster' Douglas [TKO 10] <Tyson Post-Prime, distracted, and too heavily favored to win>
Evander Holyfield (x2) [TKO 11] [DQ 3] <Tyson Post-Prime>
Questionable Losses:
Buster Douglas (Long 10 count) <His mother who just died arranged this from Heaven>

'A' level wins:
None
'A-' level wins:
Tony Tucker, Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks, Frank Bruno I
'B' level wins:
Marvis Frazier, Trevor Berbick, James Smith, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tubbs, Carl Williams, Alex Stewart, Razor Ruddock (x2), Frank Bruno II, Bruce Seldon, Brian Nielsen, Andrew Golota (half credit)
'B-' level wins:
Jesse Ferguson, Jose Ribalta, Alonzo Ratliff, Tyrell Biggs, Buster Mathis Jr., Francois Botha, Lou Savarese, Clifford Etienne, Orlin Norris (half credit)

Point Total: 0 + 6 + 11.5 + 4.25 – 4.5 = 17.25

And for the record, this is how Obama's numerical system works:

Criteria
Notable Wins:
Any wins over proven quality opposition (currently A or B rated at the time of the fight)
Over the hill 'A' level fighters count as 'B' level
Past their prime 'A / B' level fighters count as 'A- / B-' level
Some fighters may also be considered by minus levels even in their prime
Pre-Prime vs Pre-Prime and Over-the-hill vs Over-the-hill taken into consideration
Notable Losses:
Losses that occurred during the near prime but pre-prime
Losses that occurred during the prime
Losses that occurred during the near prime but post-prime
Questionable Wins / Losses / Draws:
Any disputed victory or defeat regardless of prime status or quality of opposition
Notable NCs:
No-contests become notable for a fighter if he was clearly winning
Quality of opposition is relevant
Quality Points:
B- rated fighters are worth .5 points
B rated fighters are worth 1 point
A- rated fighters are woth 1.5 points
A rated fighters are worth 2 points
Repeat victories over an opponent are worth half the original point value
In the case of a notable NC half the appropriate point value is given
Detraction Points:
Prime losses by decision cost 2 points, pre / post cost 1 point
Prime losses by stoppage cost 4 points, pre / post cost 2 points
Repeat losses cost half the original value

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Speedy Gon

thanks for that, is 17.5 a good score then? seems like i was almost right in saying he didn't fight any top fighters, as he didn't score any A class points.

Colzo

Ali all night long tysons power wouldnt count for much ali was in against big hitters like foreman liston shavers. first 4 rounds would see ali dancing and jabing away at tyson stop him in the late rounds when tyson runs outa gas
+ ali wouldnt be afraid of tysons rep he'd be there to fight and there to win

BoxingManiac

I agree. Tyson wasn't mentally up to the task of fighting somebody like Muhammad Ali.

VJ01

I'll pick tyson, tell them to get to the 11 round.

VJ01

if us could vote tyson as olympic contender... quick medals on way.

VJ01

if someone wants to finish the track long distance sprinting from last to first, you can't stop the last runner from out-jogging you.

Colzo

what? I dnt get what u mean