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To, me this seems like a match made in heaven. Lennox Lewis who fought in the 1990s was a great technical boxer with a damaging jab and damaging hooks. He was also a giant, standing at 6'5".
Jack Johnson was about as tough as a fighter can get, spitting in the faces of white men in a time when the KKK would have hanged him over the nearest tree for simply being an uppity negro. Johnson was also a very technical fighter, who liked to punish his opponents, carrying them so that they would be out right exausted before the knockout. One of the most tiring things about him is the perfected clinch. You had to be stronger than an ox to get out of one of Jack Johnson's clinches. Often times, fighters fought Johnson with a couple of their teeth embedded into his gloves.
Tell me what you think would happen in a 12 round fight, a 15 round fight, and in a finish fight. Each in their prime weight, and with 8 ounce gloves.
Lewis SD12 Johnson
Johnson TKO13 Lewis
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Lewis had a weak chin but he would be technically superior and maybe too strong for Johnson.
Lewis right hand was bonecrushing and Stanley Ketchel( a middleweight) once had dropped Johnson with a right hand. Also, the size of Lewis could be a big factor.
If a crude Jess Willard could beat Johnson, I think Lewis could've done the same.
If not by a surprise big punch KO, I dont think Johnson would stand so much of a chance.
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Lewis had a weak chin but he would be technically superior and maybe too strong for Johnson.
Lewis right hand was bonecrushing and Stanley Ketchel( a middleweight) once had dropped Johnson with a right hand. Also, the size of Lewis could be a big factor.
If a crude Jess Willard could beat Johnson, I think Lewis could've done the same.
If not by a surprise big punch KO, I dont think Johnson would stand so much of a chance.
Johnson was screwing around with Ketchel when he was dropped, and it didn't hurt Jack, it pissed him off. When Johnson was KO'd by Willard he old and out of shape, but still put up a decent fight for 26 rounds.
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Lewis had a weak chin but he would be technically superior and maybe too strong for Johnson.
Lewis right hand was bonecrushing and Stanley Ketchel( a middleweight) once had dropped Johnson with a right hand. Also, the size of Lewis could be a big factor.
If a crude Jess Willard could beat Johnson, I think Lewis could've done the same.
If not by a surprise big punch KO, I dont think Johnson would stand so much of a chance.
Well said, Bill. Jack Johnson was way to tough to fall under Lewis. Johnson was about as tough as a fighter can get. Johnson was a man who spat in the faces of white men at a time where nobody could back him up, and at a time where they simply would have hung him from the nearest tree for being an uppity negroe. If you think Lennox Lewis can hurt Jack Johnson, you are not looking at the heavyweight champion that I am talking about.
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Well said, Bill. Jack Johnson was way to tough to fall under Lewis. Johnson was about as tough as a fighter can get. Johnson was a man who spat in the faces of white men at a time where nobody could back him up, and at a time where they simply would have hung him from the nearest tree for being an uppity negroe. If you think Lennox Lewis can hurt Jack Johnson, you are not looking at the heavyweight champion that I am talking about.
I'm not the kind of guy that keeps saying the sport evolved and the modern fighters are greater because they're more improved technically and would have beaten old time fighters. Specially because in many cases, that would'nt have been the case.
If there is an expression to say what I'm trying to say: Quality/era speaking Jack Johnson is 100x better than Lewis. I mean, in his time he was so ahead, so superior to other men that its beyond comparison to any sports star today, maybe tiger woods. Its like a p4p comparison, but instead of looking at weight classes, we look at eras.
Lewis is miles behind quality/era. But it has been so much time, that even though Lewis is not a greater fighter than Johnson, and wasnt as dominant and strong in his era, he is better than Johnson in terms of technique and skills alone - because the sport has evolved at some point, and the techniques have been perfected. its just Lewis era's standards of quality > than early 20th century's standards.
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I'm not the kind of guy that keeps saying the sport evolved and the modern fighters are greater because they're more improved technically and would have beaten old time fighters. Specially because in many cases, that would'nt have been the case.
If there is an expression to say what I'm trying to say: Quality/era speaking Jack Johnson is 100x better than Lewis. I mean, in his time he was so ahead, so superior to other men that its beyond comparison to any sports star today, maybe tiger woods. Its like a p4p comparison, but instead of looking at weight classes, we look at eras.
Lewis is miles behind quality/era. But it has been so much time, that even though Lewis is not a greater fighter than Johnson, and wasnt as dominant and strong in his era, he is better than Johnson in terms of technique and skills alone - because the sport has evolved at some point, and the techniques have been perfected. its just Lewis era's standards of quality > than early 20th century's standards.
I can agree with most of this. IMO boxing was perfected around the 1930's.
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If it was 12 rounds, Lewis by close UD. Have to favour Johnson if it went longer though, simply because he was SO tough.
Pretty much the same way that I saw it too. I just cannot see Lewis going more than 13 rounds with Jack Johnson. Lewis was still a great fighter nonetheless.
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Lennox Lewis vs. Jack Johnson
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