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Old 03-09-2007, 04:20 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I used to have no rhythm. Then I took up salsa dancing. And seriously, it DOES help!
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Old 03-09-2007, 06:57 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I used to have no rhythm. Then I took up salsa dancing. And seriously, it DOES help!
It takes basically three things to become a really good fighter or great fighter.

The essential ingredients are ... (1) heart (mental toughness) this often tends to be genetic some people are just born tough, or tougher than other people. (2) You got to be able to punch, and (3) you also have got to be able to take a punch.

In part, its genetic and some peope are just born with those ingredients that make for a really good or great fighter.

And as for the rest it can be learned.

As for developing your foot work the best thing for that is not taking dancing lessons if your wanting to be a fighter, but skipping rope.

Doing lots of skip rope there's nothing better for developing your footwork for a fighter than skipping rope.

And when you skip rope, never skip rope in one place, for its bad for your heart you need to step forwards and backwards and from side to side and never to stand in one place for it not good for your heart to skip rope standing in one place you want to move around doing skip rope.

There's nothing better from developing your footwork then skipping rope for a fighter in the way I just described.


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Old 03-09-2007, 09:18 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Its all about how busy you keep it in the ring, allow your opponent to get used to being stuck with the same jab or hook, then when his fatigue sets in, throw the fake and a power shot with the opposite hand. Works every time. But you gotta stay busy, the slower or more flat footed you stay the easier it is for your opponent to read the setup.
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Old 03-10-2007, 05:59 AM   #24 (permalink)
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As for developing your foot work the best thing for that is not taking dancing lessons if your wanting to be a fighter, but skipping rope.
Haha. I know. I meant that more in terms of rhythm, though it does help with sidestepping. Gotta learn to cut out that wiggle when I do it though…

Ever since I went to school as a kid I recall my PE teacher telling me that you can gain amazing fitness and footwork from skipping rope. I used to participate in skipping races for our school competitions.

I like to vary the skipping to incorporate different steps, variations in rhythm, double jumps, cross–armed, etc. Plus it really helps to build up my lung strength (I suffer from asthma).
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Old 03-10-2007, 11:12 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Its all about how busy you keep it in the ring, allow your opponent to get used to being stuck with the same jab or hook, then when his fatigue sets in, throw the fake and a power shot with the opposite hand.

Works every time.

It would depend on how experienced the guy was that your were fighting.

When I was boxing, I could box, and I could punch too. I was a boxer, and also a puncher.

If I was fighting a guy who was a really good boxer, and he had a reach advantage, and if he was beating me to death with his left jab keeping me at a distance so I couldn't fight on the inside where I could be more effective in fighting him. I would move to take out his left jabs and left hooks by hurting his left arm.

And this is how I could do it!

By counter punching, every time he throw the left jab and hooks. I'd throw punches at his left arm aiming for the bicep of his left arm.

It wouldn't take too many punches there to take out his left jabs and hooks.

And if I could manage to hit him just right in that place on his left arm aiming at his bicep, a punch like that hurts so bad that even one punch could take out his left arm. Especially if I can hit him just right on the bicep of his left arm.

If I could hit him just right there it would be hard for him to even lift his left arm much less to even be able to punch effectively with it.

A really experienced fighter would work to take his opponents left arm out in a situation like you just described.

If he was really is experienced in knowing how to fight in a situation such as you described that's what he would do.

He would move to take the guys left arm out by hurting his left arm and to do it in the way I just described.

I say the very experienced fighter would do that, however. You'd be surpised to know just many even in the professional ranks today have not learned this.

But it was taught in the old school.

A lot of the old school fighters know this.

Just to name one very well known old school fighter who did, Jack Dempsey. That's how he would do it, and he did do it in some of his fights.

When I first took up boxing in the 1960s boxing amateur all the trainers I had were from the old school who fought pro in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s.

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Old 03-10-2007, 07:50 PM   #26 (permalink)
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hey JCC, quick question. How is jumping rope in 1 spot bad for your heart? whenever i jump rope i move around a little but mostly in one spot.. im confused as to why it affects ur heart. Is it because jumping up and down in 1 spopt will jolt ur heart out of place or something?
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Old 03-11-2007, 07:11 AM   #27 (permalink)
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hey JCC, quick question. How is jumping rope in 1 spot bad for your heart?

whenever i jump rope i move around a little but mostly in one spot.. im confused as to why it affects ur heart.

Is it because jumping up and down in 1 spopt will jolt ur heart out of place or something?
Actually, that was my father's trainer or who had use to be his trainer back when father was boxing back in the 1950s who had told me that and I had just remembered it was all. I had never forgotten it.

At the time I had just taken up boxing when I was just a kid, and I saw my father's old trainer at the gym one day working with a heavyweight and later he came over and corrected me about the way I was skipping rope.

He told me to never skip rope standing in one place but to move around when I skip rope stepping backwards and forwards and stepping side to side and never to never stand in just one place while I skip rope.

He said it isn't good for your heart to stand only in one place when you skip rope, but he never told me why. I didn't ask.

Many years later I remember watching an old training film of Muhummed Ali working out then he was called Cassius Clay after he had first turned pro. And I heard his trainer Angelo Dundee tell him the exact same thing about skipping rope, and heard him tell Ali also that skipping rope standing in one place was bad for your heart.

Now that I think of it when you watch the pro's train they never stand in only one place as they skip rope they all move around stepping backwards and forwards and stepping side to side as they skip rope.

Any way, you asked a good question, only I am unable to tell you why because I don't know.

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Old 03-11-2007, 08:40 PM   #28 (permalink)
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By counter punching, every time he throw the left jab and hooks. I'd throw punches at his left arm aiming for the bicep of his left arm.

It wouldn't take too many punches there to take out his left jabs and hooks.

And if I could manage to hit him just right in that place on his left arm aiming at his bicep, a punch like that hurts so bad that even one punch could take out his left arm. Especially if I can hit him just right on the bicep of his left arm.
Absolutely brilliant. I think Marciano did something similar when he fought Walcott, though he didn’t aim for the inside of the bicep.

I think I’ll second what others have said about you training young boxers. Really sounds like you know the bizz!
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This was supposed to happen like 2 months ago, but intstead, I got a break (not training wise though), I got to spar and someone else. I beat up a fat person who could hit like a truck. I went easy on him, whacked him when I wanted, but didn't kill him like I could have. Only twice I let my jab's full power/speed slip, and his head went back, and his face got all flat, and I thought uh-oh I hurt him. But then he swung back and I was relevied. But after that we were supposed to spar 2 weeks later, he didn't show up, then another 2 weeks later we were supposed to spar, then last wednsday we were supposed to spar, he didn't show. So I will challenge him for the next day I see him. I even got him a mouth piece just incase he forgets his. So he has no excuses not to spar me. I will beat him up this time because he told people he was gonna kick my @$$.
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Old 03-12-2007, 06:37 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I think Marciano did something similar when he fought Walcott, though he didn’t aim for the inside of the bicep.
What you want to do in a situation like I described earlier is whenever he throws the left jab that he's been effectively using against you to keep you at a distance from him and he's out boxing you.

When he throws the left jab you want to throw your right hand just as hard as you can throw it at the bicep area of his left arm.

Also you want to try to keep your punches short to keep from telegraghing your punches.

As for your mention of Rocky Marciano he was a small man for a heavyweight but he could really hit hard. He could hurt you no matter where he hit you, arms, shoulder or where ever?

I had read once that the fight trainer Lou Duva a friend of Marciano's had said that at Marciano's funeral he had seen Jersey Joe Walcott there, and they talked for a while. He said that Walcott told him that in his first fight with Marciano in which Marciano had knocked him out to win the title. He said he was planning to take Marciano out with a left hook, and suddenly realized he couldn't even feel his left side.

Marciano had hit him with so many punches to the ribs, arms and body that Walcott's left side was near paralysed.

I'd also once read that Marciano said that often he would counter left jabs with a right under the heart.

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I think I’ll second what others have said about you training young boxers.

Really sounds like you know the bizz!
Appreciate the compliment.

But you got to realize that I took up boxing at age nine, and that was more than 40 years ago. I had my last fight in 1974 at age 23.

You can learn a whole a lot of things over a period of more than 40 years.

But I don't think I really knew all that much about fighting until I turned 40.

There's much to know.

I'm still learning.

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