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Old 06-29-2009, 03:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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weight training help!

hey guys i have been looking around for 3 or 4 days now to try and find the best ways to train with weights to suite boxing and im having no luck finding anything can anyone give any advice or point me in the rite direction.

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Old 07-01-2009, 02:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Depends on what you weigh. I'm not an expert but if you can't afford to gain weight you can use light weights to train speed without gaining extra muscle... Basic weight training is ok if you can afford the extra (muscle)weight.
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Old 07-01-2009, 04:18 AM   #3 (permalink)
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If i was you i would simply use light weights and do exercises to do individual muscles. I use to do body building and located every muscle. If i was you i would not recommend doing it as it normally took me around 90 mins to do all muscles if done proply. If you want to gain weight this is the best way to do so but use heavy weights. Change weights from heavier to lighter every month to make sure ur muscles dont get used to the stress. For me, i used to do biceps 15kg, then biceps 20kg, then 5kgs, then 10kg. And worked for me.

but i do not recommend this if your looking for a boxing workout. Stick to light weights and all i do now is Shoulders, Back, Neck, forearms for weights. All the rest i do body weight exercises. i only do weights as they are really are to do many body weight exercises.
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If i was you i would simply use light weights and do exercises to do individual muscles. I use to do body building and located every muscle. If i was you i would not recommend doing it as it normally took me around 90 mins to do all muscles if done proply. If you want to gain weight this is the best way to do so but use heavy weights. Change weights from heavier to lighter every month to make sure ur muscles dont get used to the stress. For me, i used to do biceps 15kg, then biceps 20kg, then 5kgs, then 10kg. And worked for me.

but i do not recommend this if your looking for a boxing workout. Stick to light weights and all i do now is Shoulders, Back, Neck, forearms for weights. All the rest i do body weight exercises. i only do weights as they are really are to do many body weight exercises.
I'll post what to do later...I wouldn't recommend either reccomendation though.
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Old 07-02-2009, 02:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
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lol then what would you recommend ?
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Old 07-02-2009, 10:11 AM   #6 (permalink)
 
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hey guys thanks for your replys... i weigh in at 63.3 kg. i am looking to put on weight (add muscle) would like to get near 70kg. (6ft 1inches in height)

hope this helps u to give me some advice on what kinda weights i should do to help my add some muscle mass

and thanks again for taking your time to read and reply to this thread.

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Old 07-03-2009, 02:25 AM   #7 (permalink)
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So u want muscle mass?
well then you must do heavy weights...
Im 5'3 and i weight 65 kg..

have you done weights before and if you have for how long ?

By the sounds of it not at all or if so not long. Id start off doing light weights and every month go up 2km. Once youve reached a point you cant go any higher in weight, you must start doing light weight hten heavy weight so ur muscles dont get used to the stress.
I started off 3kG weights , then went onto 5kg, ( this is for bicep ) now i can bicep 25kg and im only 15. Dont expectt results after 1 training session.

And you must have no fat and be lean to see good mass definition. Make sure you workout every muscle, including your legs. This is more a body building workout, as they do weights to gain weight and for mass. This is not a boxing weight workout as you should hurt for about 3 days afterwards from weights. While boxing u should just feel tight after a workout and workout everyday. A proper weight workout goes for 90 mins, and ontop of that you must do about 45 mins of cardio and boxing training. so goodluck and make sure you know what sort of workout you want. Be more specific in your reply after you read this.


Oh and make sure you contact your doctor about this. And make sure you have proper form and do low reps with proper form and high rest for reps.

I am only 15 and have been doing weights for 3 years and never had an injury, weights do not stunt your growth if your a teenager but if you take steroids it will. You also take a risk of joint problems in your 20's from weights, but thats a risk you want to take if your young liek me
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You should not be in pain three days after doing anything work-out related.

You should only feel tight and slightly sore after anything you do. Unless obviously, it's something that involves pain, like Boxing. Then you can expect that.

You definitely don't want DOMS and you should only ever NEED one day rest.

He was right about targeting every muscle but you can be smart about it and not spend all day in the gym. A squat targets a crap load of muscles, and is actually the best workout for your core believe it or not.

Give yourself a decent amount of rest, make sure to stretch dynamically while you rest. Don't just sit there. Also make sure to drink A LOT of water. The stretching and water between will make you stronger.

I promise I will talk more specifically about the actual way to lift the weights, I've just been killer lazy.
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Old 07-03-2009, 04:23 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Tsentralnaya, im not sure if you have ever done a proper intense weight workout. I have many times from my 3 years of experience and i always felt about 2 - 3 days sore after wards. You need proper recovery. heavy weights you need recovery as you shood be really sore the next day.

Try lets say for biceps, do 10 kg, as many reps as you can then have a rest, then as many as u can, then rest, then as many as you can again. do this for 3 sets. Believe me, try it and dont tell me you wont be sore. And if you cant do any more and still in your sets, you should do negatives, this is when you use two hands to bring it up to your chest, then slowly let it go down, but you try to force it up, and this works very well.

The reason why your sore is from muscle fatigue caused by lactic acid ( doing anaerobic exercises, eg. pumping iron ).

Unless i am wrong and you are right, then i dont know whats wrong with my body and i must see a doctor as that would not be normal. Lol i seriously think somethings wrong with me if noone else hurts after doing body builder weight workouts.

i can tell you how to lift weights when im bored n got nothing better to do. atm im busy, if Tsentralnaya beats me to it i wont bother. But yeah lol
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Tsentralnaya, im not sure if you have ever done a proper intense weight workout. I have many times from my 3 years of experience and i always felt about 2 - 3 days sore after wards. You need proper recovery. heavy weights you need recovery as you shood be really sore the next day.

Try lets say for biceps, do 10 kg, as many reps as you can then have a rest, then as many as u can, then rest, then as many as you can again. do this for 3 sets. Believe me, try it and dont tell me you wont be sore. And if you cant do any more and still in your sets, you should do negatives, this is when you use two hands to bring it up to your chest, then slowly let it go down, but you try to force it up, and this works very well.

The reason why your sore is from muscle fatigue caused by lactic acid ( doing anaerobic exercises, eg. pumping iron ).

Unless i am wrong and you are right, then i dont know whats wrong with my body and i must see a doctor as that would not be normal. Lol i seriously think somethings wrong with me if noone else hurts after doing body builder weight workouts.

i can tell you how to lift weights when im bored n got nothing better to do. atm im busy, if Tsentralnaya beats me to it i wont bother. But yeah lol
And I'm not sure if you understand my qualifications here. I'm a certified personal trainer. You've been weightlifting for three years, okay that's good. Doesn't mean you've been doing it right though. A lot of body builder types actually lift incorrectly, my favourite is when they lift and kiss their biceps. So yeah, doesn't mean you won't see results but you also won't be doing yourselves any favours. You can either spend too long, or lift too much and then hurt three days after.

Nothing is wrong with your body, you just over-did it. You should never really need more than one day off. If you're still in pretty intense pain or soreness (where it limits what you can do, I'm not sure if this is what you meant by soreness/pain as we all have different definitions) then you over did it and can cause injury, not to mention limit your potential.

You shouldn't do that 'lift till mechanical failure' thing too much either.


Anyway I'm not gonna write out a full routine but here it goes:

Boxing related: If you want the power and speed, lift light-weight fast. You are what you train. Train your muscles quickly, they will be quick. This will increase your strength/endurance as well. Do about 12-15 reps. 3-5 sets. If you incorporate super-sets (biceps curl, no rest, triceps kickback) you can limit the reps and sets to minimum and save yourself a lot of time. Not to mention give yourself a good intense workout.

If you want to gain mass/hypertrophy, heavier weights, 4-8 reps, 3 sets. You're going to want to lift these at a slower rate to get maximum benefit. 4 seconds up, 2 second break, 4 seconds down, 2 break, up again etc...

I'm sure you can put a routine together for yourself, or just hire a trainer for one session so he can show you some stuff if you feel lost at sea.

Give yourself a break every other day, or you can push it to two days if you do full body workouts.

If you do super-sets and workouts that target many muscle groups (instead of isolation exercises) you can get in a solid intense workout in half an hour. But that is really intense and allows for practically no breaks. If you got the time and want to spend the time you can workout far more comfortably. Up to you and your schedule.

But remember, working out and weighting lifts (yeah I said it like that :P) is important but Nutrition is 80% of the battle. If you're not eating right you're not going to see what you want to see. Also note, it takes the average person about three months before you notice a marked difference in your body composition.

Good luck.
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