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Who has been the best boxer since the turn of the century in your opinions?

Guys like Lennox Lewis would be hard to put on my list since he retired back in 2003. I'd say the greatest since 2000 was Bernard Hopkins.

Felix Trinidad, Winky Wright, Antonio Tarver, Oscar De La Hoya, Jermain Taylor (x2), Joe Calzaghe & Howard Eastman.. and now he's coming up to Kelly Pavlik.

All of those guys (except Eastman) was/is P4P ranked when Hopkins fought them and even his losses are still debated (the first Taylor decision was a clear win for Hopkins IMO) and not to mention Hopkins has never backed down from a challenge and seen his greatest success come since the turn of the century. He's nearing 44 and still won't back down from the biggest challenges available, as he aged (being 35 in 2000) he just seemingly got better and always works best as an underdog and that is why, he is the greatest fighter since 2000 IMO.
 

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My favorite fighter since the turn of the century has been Arthur Abraham, but since he has not proved himself to be the best, I think that the best would have to be Pacman.

I would not be able to say that I know a lot about the fighters today, so my word on this should not be taken seriously. My specialty is the history of boxing, and thats the area that I should be taken very seriously.
 

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Pacquiao would definetly have a case. Barrera (twice), Marquez (twice), Morales (x3) and then other solid contenders such as Larios, Diaz & Solis. Mayweather could also be a candidate, although he has retired prematurely.

Hopkins record looks very good on paper, but 4 of those 6 guys were stepping up in weight/at an uncomfortable weight. And Eastman shouldn't be on there in comparison to the other guys:laugh:
 

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Pacquiao would definetly have a case. Barrera (twice), Marquez (twice), Morales (x3) and then other solid contenders such as Larios, Diaz & Solis. Mayweather could also be a candidate, although he has retired prematurely.

Hopkins record looks very good on paper, but 4 of those 6 guys were stepping up in weight/at an uncomfortable weight. And Eastman shouldn't be on there in comparison to the other guys:laugh:
Mayweather was still a fighter at the turn of the century, so I think that he would be a candidate, but IMO I think that Pacquio beats Mayweather by knockout. And I think that the Golden boy should be included.
 

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Pacquiao would definetly have a case. Barrera (twice), Marquez (twice), Morales (x3) and then other solid contenders such as Larios, Diaz & Solis. Mayweather could also be a candidate, although he has retired prematurely.

Hopkins record looks very good on paper, but 4 of those 6 guys were stepping up in weight/at an uncomfortable weight. And Eastman shouldn't be on there in comparison to the other guys:laugh:
Well Eastman was rank #1 contender at the time and was a pretty good boxer so I think while not deserving of a place alongside those names, he's still a pretty good contender.

Felix Trinidad was comfortable at 160 and had some good punching power with him and he did knock out William Joppy who was a top middleweight contender. He showed good punching power and was still a very dangerous contender even at 160, so I think the Trinidad step up arguement is completely invalid.

The Oscar arguement is valid in some ways but people forget that Hopkins offered to drop to 154 to face De La Hoya. While Hopkins was physically superior to De La Hoya, it's not as if De La Hoya's boxing skills diminished, he was just outclassed by Hopkins. But I think De La Hoya is the only valid one, since I admit stepping up 30lbs from the weight he began boxing at.

Winky was another physically inferior to Hopkins, BUT Winky was still a good counter puncher and never relied on his punching power or anything physical to get him through matches, he relied purely on his counter punching and turtle shell boxing.

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Well Eastman was rank #1 contender at the time and was a pretty good boxer so I think while not deserving of a place alongside those names, he's still a pretty good contender.

Felix Trinidad was comfortable at 160 and had some good punching power with him and he did knock out William Joppy who was a top middleweight contender. He showed good punching power and was still a very dangerous contender even at 160, so I think the Trinidad step up arguement is completely invalid.

The Oscar arguement is valid in some ways but people forget that Hopkins offered to drop to 154 to face De La Hoya. While Hopkins was physically superior to De La Hoya, it's not as if De La Hoya's boxing skills diminished, he was just outclassed by Hopkins. But I think De La Hoya is the only valid one, since I admit stepping up 30lbs from the weight he began boxing at.

Winky was another physically inferior to Hopkins, BUT Winky was still a good counter puncher and never relied on his punching power or anything physical to get him through matches, he relied purely on his counter punching and turtle shell boxing.

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IMO, I do not think that De La Hoya was in his prime during his fight with Hopkins. I think that he was a lot better earlier in the decade. Either way, I would pick Hopkins for the win.
 

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Mayweather was still a fighter at the turn of the century, so I think that he would be a candidate, but IMO I think that Pacquio beats Mayweather by knockout. And I think that the Golden boy should be included.
opinions are opinions but i honestly do not see how ANYONE would think pacquiao could beat mayweather especially by knockout.. mayweather is stronger, faster, and possess way more technical and overall boxing skills than pacquiao.. his defense is second to none.. if pacquiao had problems with marquez (i thought pac lost both fights), imagine what a stronger, faster, more technically gifted fighter would do to pacquiao.. may would exploit all of his weaknesses
 

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opinions are opinions but i honestly do not see how ANYONE would think pacquiao could beat mayweather especially by knockout.. mayweather is stronger, faster, and possess way more technical and overall boxing skills than pacquiao.. his defense is second to none.. if pacquiao had problems with marquez (i thought pac lost both fights), imagine what a stronger, faster, more technically gifted fighter would do to pacquiao.. may would exploit all of his weaknesses
but Mayweather's chin is very suspect. I think ones Paquio gets a good hit on him, Mayweather goes out like a light.
 

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Based on the fact that Mayweather has had 39 professional fights and has never taken all that many power shots... wait, that just shows how damn good he is:laugh:
 

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Based on the fact that Mayweather has had 39 professional fights and has never taken all that many power shots... wait, that just shows how damn good he is:laugh:
Exactly :laugh:. How anyone can criticize his chin is beyond me.
 

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Mayweather has never taken a good shot to the chin because he never fought a fighter that was determined enough to go all out to get a hit in, and I think that man that would be able to get a hit in to Mayweather would have to be Paqiou! Paquio KO's Mayweather in 10 for me!
 

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Mayweather has never taken a good shot to the chin because he never fought a fighter that was determined enough to go all out to get a hit in, and I think that man that would be able to get a hit in to Mayweather would have to be Paqiou! Paquio KO's Mayweather in 10 for me!
Mayweather has never taken a good shot to the chin because he's so good defensively. Floyd would see Pacquiao's lunging lefts a mile off! Mayweather stops Pacquiao easily, and I'm not really a Mayweather fan.
 

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Alright well..

Pavlik, Tarver, Winky, Oscar, Felix. + Taylor (x2), Calzaghe

Not a bad resume since the start of 2000. Not to mention he was 36 when he schooled Trinidad, and he's 43 and still schooling people.
 

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Alright well..

Pavlik, Tarver, Winky, Oscar, Felix. + Taylor (x2), Calzaghe

Not a bad resume since the start of 2000. Not to mention he was 36 when he schooled Trinidad, and he's 43 and still schooling people.
7 guys that were inside the top 10 P4P list when he fought them, that's 6 more than Floyd. With one win over Jones or Calzaghe the fighter of this decade argument is a wrap, or a W over Dawson and it's B-Hop hands down.
 
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