Does anyone have a favorite "almost " great fighter? Fighters like Ray Mercer or Dale Crowe could have been major players in the books if things had been a little different for them. They got sloppy or caught a bad break they never recovered form and they have to settle as a foot note.
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nope ..........
I can't believe no one has ever followed a fighter form the early fights only to have him catch a bad break and screw his carreer. Does any one even follow unranked or non "name" fighters at all?
Chris Byrd, James Toney, and Klitchko
I have a couple almost great favorite fighters. 1. Chris Byrd, he is good but wouldn't last with the 1970's heavyweight contenders. They were just to good. Any one of them would have been undisputed heavy weight champion of the world now a days. James Toney is no true born heavy weight, he just got fat. I'm not saying he's not good, he's just not as good as the fighters in the 70's. Klitchko is good for nowa day's but, wouldn't be a contender in the 70's just like Byrd, or Toney. The heavyweight divison stinks right now. They can hardly go 10 rounds let alone 15, they would pass out now. Larry Holmes and George Foreman both retired around 2002 when they were in their 50's and still kicked all the contenders butt's.
I have a couple almost great favorite fighters. 1. Chris Byrd, he is good but wouldn't last with the 1970's heavyweight contenders. They were just to good. Any one of them would have been undisputed heavy weight champion of the world now a days. James Toney is no true born heavy weight, he just got fat. I'm not saying he's not good, he's just not as good as the fighters in the 70's. Klitchko is good for nowa day's but, wouldn't be a contender in the 70's just like Byrd, or Toney. The heavyweight divison stinks right now. They can hardly go 10 rounds let alone 15, they would pass out now. Larry Holmes and George Foreman both retired around 2002 when they were in their 50's and still kicked all the contenders butt's.
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Vitali
Vitali Klitchko probably got overrated but he was on pace to be a great champion. He got some bad breaks and now he trains in his brothers corner. Not the worst place in the world to be but he could have been better.
Vitali Klitchko probably got overrated but he was on pace to be a great champion. He got some bad breaks and now he trains in his brothers corner. Not the worst place in the world to be but he could have been better.
Antoine Echols
Antione Echols is one of my favorite almosts. He was a shooting star until he stepped up and faced Bernard Hopkins back in early 2000. He was great unfer 156 but after the attempt at a step up I don't think he ever really recovered. He is still a good fighter but lost a step in that move.
Antione Echols is one of my favorite almosts. He was a shooting star until he stepped up and faced Bernard Hopkins back in early 2000. He was great unfer 156 but after the attempt at a step up I don't think he ever really recovered. He is still a good fighter but lost a step in that move.
echols was great and he showed some sense of style like the old boxers did, iuts a shame that his boxing road ended really.
I just want to add something else about Echols. When he had that first fight with Hopkins he looked young and fresh but after the Hopkins duet was over, he looked old and worn down. He was still in his early to mid tweenties but looked about 15 years older. His whole look changed. I have to wonder if you are flying so high like Echols was before Hopkins and hit a brick wall does it derail you to the point that you can't get it back? By the way, if anyone ever saw the first Echols-Hopkins fight, does anyone but me think Echols should have won. Hopkins went to some questionable tactics in the later rounds and was only warned a few times over things that would have gotten a lot of fighters DQd. Don't get me wrong, I like Hopkins as a fighter, always have but in that first fight he didn't know what he was getting into with Echols.
Does anyone remember Michael Carbohal. I'm probably spelling it wrong but I don't feel like looking it up. He was a great "boxer" but I think he was more a victim of weight class and bad promoting.
Earnie Shavers.
TripleA said:Does anyone remember Michael Carbohal. I'm probably spelling it wrong but I don't feel like looking it up. He was a great "boxer" but I think he was more a victim of weight class and bad promoting.
What???????????
He was great & had good promoting. Top rank did a good job with him. He made great money for a little guy. Michael Carbajal was inducted into the Hall of fame a few months back. I was there for induction week & it was great.
Click below for his HOF page.
IBHOF / Michael Carbajal
herol graham is a good one, a lot of guys including myself think he was one of the best never to win a world belt.
TripleA said:Does anyone have a favorite "almost " great fighter? Fighters like Ray Mercer or Dale Crowe could have been major players in the books if things had been a little different for them. They got sloppy or caught a bad break they never recovered form and they have to settle as a foot note.
This is a good thread. To many people are front runners & only mention a few names in boxing. You talk to some fans on these boards & you hear like a few names. Tyson, Roy Jones. Mayweather, Hatton etc.
I like alot of average fighters. I also usually become partial to some of the fighters I have met.
Davaryl Williamson, Reggie Johnson, Kelly Pavlik, Anthony Thompson, Kermit Cintron, Kid Diamond Raimkulov, Rogelio Castaneda Jr, Jorge Barrios.Robert Guerrero ( fights this weekend) Juan Lazcano. Those are a few of the lesser known fighters that I like & enjoy watching fight.
i see cintron in your list erik i rate the kid. i just think he came up against a very very good operator in margarito.
tommygunn said:i see cintron in your list erik i rate the kid. i just think he came up against a very very good operator in margarito.
Yeah he is a top 10 guy. Not alot of casual fans know him though.
thats true. i can see cintron with a world belt by the of 2007.
Yes, Chris Byrd man. He was actually very talented, just not quite talented enough for who he was up against. :dunno:
Avid said:Yes, Chris Byrd man. He was actually very talented, just not quite talented enough for who he was up against. :dunno:
I keep hearin he may be movin down to cruiser. What do you think? I think its a good career move. I would lke to see him in against a top 10 cruiser.
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I would have to say Wayne McCullogh. Where is he now?
Iremember watching his pro debut on Tuesday night fights I haven't heard his name since he lost to Zaragoza and Haseem Nahmed
Iremember watching his pro debut on Tuesday night fights I haven't heard his name since he lost to Zaragoza and Haseem Nahmed
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I am with you ERIKERIK said:I keep hearin he may be movin down to cruiser. What do you think? I think its a good career move. I would lke to see him in against a top 10 cruiser.
And his lack of heavy weight power would match up better too.
I like the guy I just don't know what he was thinking when he fought Wladimir Klitschko
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