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Is it that obvious? I don't know personally, Bernard Hopkins at his best was excellent at nulifying the opponents best weapons and finding a way to win. Id favour Hagler, but i also think it would be very close.
 

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I cannot imagine Hagler ever beating Hopkins. Bernard is taller, just as strong, dirtier(in a slick way), takes a great punch and just seems to be a little smarter. Hopkins is the king of ring generalship, everyone fights his fight no matter what.
If Hagler bumrushed Hopkins, Bernard would tie him up and jab the sh%t out of him.(see Hopkins-Echols).
If he stalked Hopkins, Bernard would pick him apart(see Hopkins-Trinidad). If he tried to lay back Hopkins would beat him to the punch.(see Hopkins-Tarver). If Hagler stayed inside Hopkins would cleanly counter his every move(see Hopkins-Wright) and finally if he tried to be versatile B-hop would do whatever is necessary to win(see Hopkins-DLH/Joppy/Vanderpool/Eastman).
I am not underestimating Hagler one bit, but Hopkins has went about 13 years without losing more than a handful of rounds(see attached text) against an array of different fighters. He has no difficulty with southpaws and Hagler(greatly conditioned himself) could never count on Bernard fading down the stretch.
It would seem like a close fight over 12 rounds but I see it reading like this: Hopkins UD12 Hagler(117-111).

Hopkins is just a little bit better than Hagler in every single category,IMO. A rough fight but clear cut at the end who is the superior Middleweight.
 

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I cannot imagine Hagler ever beating Hopkins. Bernard is taller, just as strong, dirtier(in a slick way), takes a great punch and just seems to be a little smarter. Hopkins is the king of ring generalship, everyone fights his fight no matter what.
If Hagler bumrushed Hopkins, Bernard would tie him up and jab the sh%t out of him.(see Hopkins-Echols).
If he stalked Hopkins, Bernard would pick him apart(see Hopkins-Trinidad). If he tried to lay back Hopkins would beat him to the punch.(see Hopkins-Tarver). If Hagler stayed inside Hopkins would cleanly counter his every move(see Hopkins-Wright) and finally if he tried to be versatile B-hop would do whatever is necessary to win(see Hopkins-DLH/Joppy/Vanderpool/Eastman).
I am not underestimating Hagler one bit, but Hopkins has went about 13 years without losing more than a handful of rounds(see attached text) against an array of different fighters. He has no difficulty with southpaws and Hagler(greatly conditioned himself) could never count on Bernard fading down the stretch.
It would seem like a close fight over 12 rounds but I see it reading like this: Hopkins UD12 Hagler(117-111).

Hopkins is just a little bit better than Hagler in every single category,IMO. A rough fight but clear cut at the end who is the superior Middleweight.
I agree :thumbsup:, I like both fighters but the physical mismatch itself will be the reason why Bhop will win this fight.
 

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I cannot imagine Hagler ever beating Hopkins. Bernard is taller, just as strong, dirtier(in a slick way), takes a great punch and just seems to be a little smarter. Hopkins is the king of ring generalship, everyone fights his fight no matter what.
If Hagler bumrushed Hopkins, Bernard would tie him up and jab the sh%t out of him.(see Hopkins-Echols).
If he stalked Hopkins, Bernard would pick him apart(see Hopkins-Trinidad). If he tried to lay back Hopkins would beat him to the punch.(see Hopkins-Tarver). If Hagler stayed inside Hopkins would cleanly counter his every move(see Hopkins-Wright) and finally if he tried to be versatile B-hop would do whatever is necessary to win(see Hopkins-DLH/Joppy/Vanderpool/Eastman).
I am not underestimating Hagler one bit, but Hopkins has went about 13 years without losing more than a handful of rounds(see attached text) against an array of different fighters. He has no difficulty with southpaws and Hagler(greatly conditioned himself) could never count on Bernard fading down the stretch.
It would seem like a close fight over 12 rounds but I see it reading like this: Hopkins UD12 Hagler(117-111).

Hopkins is just a little bit better than Hagler in every single category,IMO. A rough fight but clear cut at the end who is the superior Middleweight.
I disagree. Hagler can be argued for having one of the top 5 chins of all time. He had solid power, was one of the best conditioned fighters of all time, just got more determined if it was a tough fight, and could adapt very well. Hagler IMO was stronger than B-Hop, and he hit a little bit harder all around, just Hopkins has the better timing. Hagler wore down Leonard, and that is no easy thing to do. Leonard was beat by the end of their match. He also wore down Mugabi and Antuofermo. Marvin wouldn't just allow someone to jab the piss out of him, or to just tie him up. If they tied him up they would just tire themselves out after a while. He would constantly be working and pressuring. While Hopkins has a height advantage, Hagler has an advantage in almost every other aspect. Out of the guys you mentioned, none were near in the league of Marvin.
 

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I cannot imagine Hagler ever beating Hopkins. Bernard is taller, just as strong, dirtier(in a slick way), takes a great punch and just seems to be a little smarter. Hopkins is the king of ring generalship, everyone fights his fight no matter what.
If Hagler bumrushed Hopkins, Bernard would tie him up and jab the sh%t out of him.(see Hopkins-Echols).
If he stalked Hopkins, Bernard would pick him apart(see Hopkins-Trinidad). If he tried to lay back Hopkins would beat him to the punch.(see Hopkins-Tarver). If Hagler stayed inside Hopkins would cleanly counter his every move(see Hopkins-Wright) and finally if he tried to be versatile B-hop would do whatever is necessary to win(see Hopkins-DLH/Joppy/Vanderpool/Eastman).
I am not underestimating Hagler one bit, but Hopkins has went about 13 years without losing more than a handful of rounds(see attached text) against an array of different fighters. He has no difficulty with southpaws and Hagler(greatly conditioned himself) could never count on Bernard fading down the stretch.
It would seem like a close fight over 12 rounds but I see it reading like this: Hopkins UD12 Hagler(117-111).

Hopkins is just a little bit better than Hagler in every single category,IMO. A rough fight but clear cut at the end who is the superior Middleweight.

no way in a million years would b-hop win this fight....... hagler was a monster inside those ropes and you obviously haven't seen hagler fight or you would have a completely different opinion. if hagler was to step in the ring with the people you mentioned it would go like this

Echols- hagler would stop him coming forward by overpowering him him self hagler KO4

Trinidad- at MW trinidad was useless, too bulked up, not enough fitness, hagler KO6

Tarver- hagler KO2, tarver would sit back and take a massive beating

Wright- hagler would break winkys defense early KO5

DLH- too small for MW hagler would floor him early and finish him quickly afterwards, hagler KO6

Joppy- KO1(warm up fight)

Vanderpool- KO1 (warm up fight)

Eastman- KO1 (warm up fight)

I agree :thumbsup:, I like both fighters but the physical mismatch itself will be the reason why Bhop will win this fight.

your name avator and signature says it all.
 
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