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1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Juan Manuel Marquez
3-Bernard Hopkins
4-Shane Mosley
5-Israel Vazquez
6-Rafael Marquez
7-Ivan Calderon
8-Vic Darchinyan
9-Miguel Cotto
10-Chad Dawson
11-Paul WIlliams
12-Ricky Hatton
13-Kelly Pavlik
14-Nonito Donaire
15-Tomasz Adamek
16-Arthur Abraham
17-Jermain Taylor
18(Tie)-Joan Guzman/David Haye
20-Wladimir Klitschko
21-Mikkel Kessler
22-Celestino Caballero
23-Timothy Bradley
24(tie)-Vernon Forrest/Nate Campbell
 

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I strongly disagree with that list.

Specifically with Haye/Hatton/Wlad/Kessler
 

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A couple of things I'm surprised with.. how Guzman is higher then Campbell & how low done Caballero is.
 

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I strongly disagree with that list.

Specifically with Haye/Hatton/Wlad/Kessler
Kessler and Hatton are higher on my personal list I think, but Haye and Wlad are about in the right place. IMO, that is.
 

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Marquez should be no 1 instead of Pacquiao IMO, and Dawson shouldn't be top 10. Other than that, it looks pretty good to me.
 

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1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Juan Manuel Marquez
3-Bernard Hopkins
4-Shane Mosley
5-Israel Vazquez
6-Rafael Marquez
7-Ivan Calderon
8-Vic Darchinyan
9-Miguel Cotto
10-Chad Dawson
11-Paul WIlliams
12-Ricky Hatton
13-Kelly Pavlik
14-Nonito Donaire
15-Tomasz Adamek
16-Arthur Abraham
17-Jermain Taylor
18(Tie)-Joan Guzman/David Haye
20-Wladimir Klitschko
21-Mikkel Kessler
22-Celestino Caballero
23-Timothy Bradley
24(tie)-Vernon Forrest/Nate Campbell
The top 5 is OK, but:

Cotto nor Dawson should be in the top 10
Pavlik shoudln't be behind Hatton
Kessler shouldn't be on this list
Klitschko should be ranked higher than Haye, Taylor, and Guzman.
Adamek shouldn't be ranked that high neither
 

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The top 5 is OK, but:

Cotto nor Dawson should be in the top 10
Pavlik shoudln't be behind Hatton
Kessler shouldn't be on this list
Klitschko should be ranked higher than Haye, Taylor, and Guzman.
Adamek shouldn't be ranked that high neither
I respect your opinion but I disagree on Hatton and Pavlik. Ricky lost to Floyd who was undisputed #1. Pavlik lost to B-Hop who was coming off a loss and was not a top 5 P4P guy at the time. Hatton then beat the number 2 guy in his division while Pavlik beat a mandatory. I think Ricky is short changed where he is personally, but the list is pretty good on the whole.
 

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I respect your opinion but I disagree on Hatton and Pavlik. Ricky lost to Floyd who was undisputed #1. Pavlik lost to B-Hop who was coming off a loss and was not a top 5 P4P guy at the time. Hatton then beat the number 2 guy in his division while Pavlik beat a mandatory. I think Ricky is short changed where he is personally, but the list is pretty good on the whole.
Yeah there are some discrepancies, and you have a good argument about Hatton, but Pavlik is the king of the MW division (that is if he steps up and fights Abraham). If Hatton defeats Pacman, I beleive he should be ranked #8 or #9 behind Vic.
 

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Yeah there are some discrepancies, and you have a good argument about Hatton, but Pavlik is the king of the MW division (that is if he steps up and fights Abraham). If Hatton defeats Pacman, I beleive he should be ranked #8 or #9 behind Vic.
I see Hatton beating both Pacquiao and Marquez by the end of the year. If that doesn't make him #1 I don't know what he can do
 

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Yeah there are some discrepancies, and you have a good argument about Hatton, but Pavlik is the king of the MW division (that is if he steps up and fights Abraham). If Hatton defeats Pacman, I beleive he should be ranked #8 or #9 behind Vic.
1. Pavlik ain't stepping up and fighting Abraham
2. I'd have Hatton at least top 5 for beating Pacquiao.

I see Hatton beating both Pacquiao and Marquez by the end of the year. If that doesn't make him #1 I don't know what he can do
He'd definitely have to beat both to be no 1 IMO.
 

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0. Floyd Mayweather jr. - When he returns

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Shane Mosley
6. Isreal Vasquez
7. Ricky Hatton
8. Chad Dawson
9. Ivan Calderon
10.Rafael Marquez
11.Kelly Pavlik
 

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The top 5 is OK, but:

Cotto nor Dawson should be in the top 10
Pavlik shoudln't be behind Hatton
Kessler shouldn't be on this list
Klitschko should be ranked higher than Haye, Taylor, and Guzman.
Adamek shouldn't be ranked that high neither
1) Dawson UD (WBC titllist and top 5 contender) Adamek, (top 5 contender) Johnson, (IBF titlist and top 5 contender) Tarver, (top 15 contender) Harding. Cotto UD Mosley, Malignaggi, Ndou, KO11 Judah, KO5 Quintana, KO7 Torres, KO8 Maussa, KO5 Corley through two weight divisions. Who goes in front of them?

2) No real beef with that, but as far as fighting in 1 weight class Hatton beats him out.

3) He shouldn't be 21, but 25 is reasonable. Forrest sniffing the top 25 is ridiculous IMO, Chris John deserves the spot more than him.

4) Klitschko outweighs most of his opponents, when he doesn't, it's because they're grossly out of shape. That's P4P to you? Mormeck, Hopkins, and Soto are all bigger wins than anything Wlad has. If it's resume-based Klitschko is top 10 if you don't take anything into account; he's in a very weak division and there's a very strong #2 he won't/can't fight.

5) Adamek was a solid titleholder at 175, only beaten by Chad Dawson, he climbs up 25... yes 25 pounds and beats the #1 (Cunningham) and stops 2 top ten contenders (O'Neil Bell and Jonathan Banks). And as long as he stays away from Hopkins (#3 on the list); he'll probably beat out anyone in a strong cruiserweight class.
 

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A couple of things I'm surprised with.. how Guzman is higher then Campbell & how low done Caballero is.
Guzman is a better boxer than Nate Campbell.
I see Hatton beating both Pacquiao and Marquez by the end of the year. If that doesn't make him #1 I don't know what he can do
Yeah, but you saw Hatton beating Floyd too. ;)
1) Dawson UD (WBC titllist and top 5 contender) Adamek, (top 5 contender) Johnson, (IBF titlist and top 5 contender) Tarver, (top 15 contender) Harding. Cotto UD Mosley, Malignaggi, Ndou, KO11 Judah, KO5 Quintana, KO7 Torres, KO8 Maussa, KO5 Corley through two weight divisions. Who goes in front of them?

2) No real beef with that, but as far as fighting in 1 weight class Hatton beats him out.

3) He shouldn't be 21, but 25 is reasonable. Forrest sniffing the top 25 is ridiculous IMO, Chris John deserves the spot more than him.

4) Klitschko outweighs most of his opponents, when he doesn't, it's because they're grossly out of shape. That's P4P to you? Mormeck, Hopkins, and Soto are all bigger wins than anything Wlad has. If it's resume-based Klitschko is top 10 if you don't take anything into account; he's in a very weak division and there's a very strong #2 he won't/can't fight.

5) Adamek was a solid titleholder at 175, only beaten by Chad Dawson, he climbs up 25... yes 25 pounds and beats the #1 (Cunningham) and stops 2 top ten contenders (O'Neil Bell and Jonathan Banks). And as long as he stays away from Hopkins (#3 on the list); he'll probably beat out anyone in a strong cruiserweight class.
Wlad is ahead of Haye on my list. I agree about Forrest, and I personally have Adamek higher than on this list.

Oh, and JMM above Pacquiao.
 

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Guzman is a better boxer than Nate Campbell.

Yeah, but you saw Hatton beating Floyd too. ;)

Wlad is ahead of Haye on my list. I agree about Forrest, and I personally have Adamek higher than on this list.

Oh, and JMM above Pacquiao.
Not only that, but Guzman has been a titleholder in 2 weight classes and top 5 in 3 weight classes (about to be 4).

Wlad does have a lot more quality wins, but has even beat a Ring rated #3 contender? Let alone 2 like Haye. Not sure, but I think I got Adamek a couple spots up too. The only ones I see beating him at or under cruiser are Hopkins (maybe Cunningham, Johnson, and Guillermo but they have to prove it). And to add to my Dawson and Cotto defending, Adamek was undefeated and 4 of the guys that I put for Cotto were too.
 
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