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Liston's prime was as good as anyone's. Skills and resume wise.
No doubt,he cleaned out a very good heavyweight division easily from 1958 until Patterson.

Liston was past his prime when lost to Cassius Clay in 1964.Plus he had only fought 6 rounds in the previous 3 years.That's two reason's Liston got tired.He had no problem going 12 rounds in his prime.Just watch his fight with the highly skilled Eddie Machen.

Your right,Liston had it all.From his great left jab,84 inch reach,KO power in both hands,and his granite chin(Everybody knows he threw the 2nd fight with Muhammad Ali).Liston also showed great heart in fighting with a broken jaw early in his career against vetern Marty Marshall.Liston was hitting Marshall so hard in the 10th and final round,that Marshall stepped out of the ring!

I believe Sonny Liston was the most underrated Heavyweight Champion of all-time,and i have him very high on my top 10 HEAD TO HEAD heavyweights of all-time.
 

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I don't think Liston was past his prime. That is highly unfair on Ali. Liston was the most feared fighter on the planet. Ali made him look foolish. Liston at any time in his career would lose to a peak Ali, EASY.
Ali is he greatest heavy of all time.
 

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I don't think Liston was past his prime. That is highly unfair on Ali. Liston was the most feared fighter on the planet. Ali made him look foolish. Liston at any time in his career would lose to a peak Ali, EASY.
Ali is he greatest heavy of all time.
Yes I agree a prime liston losses to Ali, Ali is the greatest heavyweight of all time without a doubt.
Liston is an underrated heavyweight imo a prime liston would beat a prime Marciano.
He was the mike tyson of his day he makes it to my top ten greatest havyweight list
 

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Yes I agree a prime liston losses to Ali, Ali is the greatest heavyweight of all time without a doubt.
Liston is an underrated heavyweight imo a prime liston would beat a prime Marciano.
He was the mike tyson of his day he makes it to my top ten greatest havyweight list
Damn, that Marciano/Liston bout would be a classic. Some one is going down :boxing:
 

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Discussion Starter #185
Original Order:
  1. Joe Louis
  2. Muhammad Ali
  3. Jack Johnson
  4. Harry Wills
  5. Larry Holmes
  6. George Foreman
  7. Lennox Lewis
  8. Mike Tyson
  9. Evander Holyfield
  10. Sam Langford
  11. Sonny Liston
  12. Rocky Marciano
  13. Joe Frazier
  14. Riddick Bowe
  15. Jack Dempsey
  16. James J. Jeffries
  17. Joe Jeannette
  18. Jack Sharkey
  19. Sam McVea
  20. Max Schmeling

Order By Resume Rating:
Under Construction

Re-Vamped Order:
  1. Joe Louis
  2. Muhammad Ali
  3. Jack Johnson
  4. Larry Holmes
  5. Sonny Liston
  6. Evander Holyfield
  7. George Foreman
  8. Mike Tyson
  9. Lennox Lewis
  10. Harry Wills
  11. Sam Langford
  12. Jack Dempsey
  13. Rocky Marciano
  14. Joe Frazier
  15. James J. Jeffries
  16. Joe Jeannette
  17. Jack Sharkey
  18. Riddick Bowe
  19. Sam McVea
  20. Max Schmeling


21-25:
Peter Jackson
Floyd Patterson
Ezzard Charles
Gene Tunney
Jersey Joe Walcott


*Moved Dempsey up because his resume rating was better than everyone save Jeannette that was beneath him, and since I had him rated higher than Jeannette to begin with combined with the fact he's widely considered a top 10 Heavyweight, I moved him to #11.

*Moved Bowe down beneath Jeffries / Jeannette / Sharkey due to lower rating and having a resume of only B and B- level opponents outside of Holyfield. Basically, he was better, but he just never committed to the sport to achieve more greatness.

*Considering moving Langford above Holmes based on his incredible rating but hesitating because I just don't think he could pull off 2 wins out of 4 tries (50 %) against Holmes, Foreman, Lewis, Tyson, or Holyfield.
2014 update: Max Schmeling out, Wladimir Klitschko in.

Wladimir Klitschko

Notable Wins:
Axel Schulz
Monte Barrett
Chris Byrd (x2) [rematch Byrd Post-Prime]
Frans Botha
Ray Mercer [Mercer Over the hill]
Jameel McCline
DaVarryl Williamson
Eliseo Castillo
Samuel Peter (x2) [rematch Peter Post-Prime]
Calvin Brock
Ray Austin
Lamon Brewster [Brewster Post-Prime]
Sultan Ibragimov
Tony Thompson (x2) [rematch both Post-Prime]
Ruslan Chagaev [Chagaev Post-Prime]
Eddie Chambers
David Haye
Mariusz Wach [on steroids]
Alexander Povetkin
Notable Losses:
Ross Puritty [Wlad Pre-Prime]
Corrie Sanders
Lamon Brewster

'A' level wins:
None
'A-' level wins:
Chris Byrd I
'B' level wins:
Chris Byrd II, Jameel McCline, Samuel Peter I, Tony Thompson I, Eddie Chambers, David Haye, Alexander Povetkin
'B-' level wins:
Axel Schulz, Monte Barrett, Frans Botha, Ray Mercer, DaVarryl Williamson, Eliseo Castillo, Samuel Peter II, Calvin Brock, Ray Austin, Lamon Brewster II, Sultan Ibragimov, Tony Thompson II, Ruslan Chagaev, Mariusz Wach

Points Total: 0 + 1.5 + 6.5 + 6.25 – 10 = 4.25
 
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