[TommyGunn]

hey pretty boy, yeah i read this on another boxing site, i dont seem him fighting taylor soon because, taylor is fight spinks and then will have a mandatory against miranda or pavlik, so i sure hope its kessler. I actually like both, And ive seen calzage at his best and ive seen kessler fight twice. I dont seen this fight anything like the lacy fight because i actually think kessler hits harder and punches alot straighter than lacy. My money is on kessler even though i think i like calzage better.

in the uk we get a lot of euro fights and ive seen kessler at least 10-15 times and he's looked ordinary against scrubs. im a fan of joe but imho he's on a diffrent level from mikkel.

 

[TommyGunn]

as i said guys he's looked ordinary against scrubs.

 

[TommyGunn]

I disagree with that totally, i can't seem to see how you can call present or former world champs scrubs cause that's all he's been fighting for quite some time world champs, he's fought the same amount of champions in 3 years than Calzaghe fought in 10 years.

Anyways, a fight between those two would certainly generate lots of money for both fighters and would decide the supremacy for the king of the super middleweights.

i suggest you look closer at his record.

his biggest wins have been against beyer, mundine, lucas and andrade.

#1. beyer. marcus was past his best when he fought kessler and when ottke and veit were primed he was only the#3 guy in germany behind them, all 3 are scrubs imo.

#2. mundine. LOL this guys a joke he thinks he's muhammad ali. he was stopped bt sven ottke who only has around 5 ko's in 38 fights. BUM!!!

#3. lucas. always lost against A-level guys and even some b-level guys.

#4. andrade. this to me is probably his most impressive win but andrade is still very green and should not have taken the fight imo. kessler showed dominance but couldn't put him away.

the rest of kesslers record consists of butchers, bakers and candal stick makers, as i said before he's looked good against scrubs.

 

[TommyGunn]

Yes, he was stopped by Sven Ottke but he was winning in this fight, in Ottke's hometown, he got caught off guard, did'nt see the punch coming, anybody goes down in that situation



Yes, Lucas has lost to a-level guys but there's no shame in losing to a-level guys, again, Lucas is not the best fighter out there but was the most determined and okay skilled fighter who did not really lose to b-level fighter, his loss againts Bryant Brannon, he was not quite ready for him, Lucas was not supposed to become champ, he was the main supporter to prospect Stephane Ouellet back in the day, he just pushed hard during training and continued to dream about his goals and achieved them, his defeats were all honorable, Jones, a much bigger Tiozzo, Catley (Defeated him by dramatic ko in rematch to win title), got robbed by Markus Beyer while winning 9 out of 12 rounds, Danny Green, you know!



I beg to differ, Andrade earned his spot by defeating number one challenger and former world champ but aging Otis Grant, had 24 wins under his belt, today, that's all it takes to earn a title shot, some fight for a title in less fights! And if Kessler did not put him away, darn as hell he did try, Andrade has the greatest chin in boxing, nobody will knock this guy off his feet, he also shown tremendous heart, I predict Andrade will win a world title someday, just not againts Mikkel Kessler.

cmon ottke had 5 ko's in his career, anybody who gets ko'd by him is a real scrub.

your right lucas never lost to be b-level guys he lost to c-level guys. glen cattley what a joke that was.

i stick by my earlier post he's looked good against scrubs, andrades win over grant was nothing to write home about otis was retired for 5 years by rjj and only fought bums after his comeback.

 

[TommyGunn]

It dosent matter if he has 1 or 5 ko's, did you at least see the end of the fight or your reffering to boxrec?




You see now you don't know what your talking about here, Roy did not retire Otis Grant, I knew your reffering to boxrec, shortly after the Jones fight, Otis got into a big auto accident with his daugther and fellow training partner Hercules Kyvelos, Otis was in a coma several days and was not supposed to live throught this tragedy but miraculously did but doctors said he would never fight in the boxing ring again but stucked to his goals and hopes of returning and the rest is history!

You know, i think you hate Kessler and the fact that he can hurt your boy Joe Calzaghe, he's the newcomer and you know deep down inside that Calzaghe would look ridiculous in a fight with him but it's okay, you ain't the first and certainly not the last

HE ANOUNCED AFTER THE JONES FIGHT HE WAS RETIRING I REMEMBER IT WELL.

i wasn't aware he was in an auto accident though, maybe he'd have comeback after jones if he wasn't but i vividly remember him anouncing his retirement, when your a fan of a fighter you tend to notice when they say things like that.

and i watched ottke v mundine on eurosport, we also have the fight posted in our video section.

when you have a vast knowedge of boxing like mine a lot of guys seem to become jelous and say that you quote boxrec, but if you look back some of my posts you'll see its obvious that i dont do this because like most guys im not perfect and have been wrong on ocasions.

 

[TommyGunn]

:laugh:

I haven't felt that vibe yet but if you say so, I trust ya!

It's just that i saw that your from the uk, and on all the forums i have visited, except one, all the uk posters are bashing on Kessler and saying Calzaghe will destroy Kessler and ****, they tend to lose their objectivity cause of their hometown boy Calzaghe, i know for a fact that brits love their local fighters and hate to hear negative things about them.

dont imply im sort of fanboy dude because thats not the case, i will however defend joe on these boards as a lot of american fans hate on him just because he's not fought in there country.

hop gets a lot of crtedit for his 20 defences and rightly so, calzaghes reign his been very similar but without the 147 guys to his name.

 

[TommyGunn]

infact apart from haye, maccarinneli, hatton and calzaghe our boxing scene here is poor to say the least.

 

[TommyGunn]

Well having not to go mout of his country is one of his main problems but for me, that's not the big issue, Joe's resume is not that brilliant, he's fighting 160 pounders(Ashira,Manfredo) for a while and beating end of the rope boxers (Eubanks)also calling out Taylor and Hopkins is totally inapropriate when you nhave plenty of challenges at 168, we all know he's making offers that they'd be sure to be refused, Frank Warren is known to be a shark, offers $100,000 and five options even if the opponent loses, that's pretty pathetic if you ask me, there's a whole bunch of reason to hate Calzaghe, his 10 year reign does not mean much yet i havent mentioned about those weird stoppages like in his last fight againts Manfredo, yet, all things we see that you fans don't see

because eubank was robbed against collins he was over the hill. LOL

eubank was still a live body when joe schooled him he fought twice for the cruiserweight title after lossing to joe and should realy have won it but for the swelling to his eye.

the mafredo stoppage was BS but would the result have been any diffrent? i dont think so.

do your homework before posting your "facts" man, kessler is demanding a 50-50 split from a fight with calzaghe thats why negotiations have broke down, since when did the #2 guy at the weight deserve a split unless he was actualy the draw (which kessler most certinlay is not) hell even rjj had the brains to know he was realisticly looking at a 60-40 and roys a PPV fighter even at this stage of his career.

*yawns*

 

[TommyGunn]

comon, we all know that is bull****!



Sure it would've been, Calfaggis hand was broken, what would he have done after that? I say he would've quit! Good thing his beloved ref was there to save him!



Now I know what you are just with thatquote, a tea sippin Calsucky fan, mate, are you frustrated? You don't like me talking about Joe like that hey? Just like the other Calzaghe fans you can't handle the truth, my homework is done chump!

some children just cant handle facts so they resort to childish behaviour, something thats certinly not needed on this board.

facts are hard to handle for haters, there brain dead small mindedness does give fellow posters some much needed comedy releif though.

 

[TommyGunn]

I'm sorry dude but Manfredo had no chance if both of Calzaghe's hands were broken. Floyd Mayweather breaks his hand in nearly every fight he participates in and he has yet to stop because of his hand and continues to throw his broken hand at his opponents. Joe is a tough guy and would continue as well.

You guys need to calm it down a tad. Calzaghe Vs. Kessler will happen in time.

thats the one thing ive given floyd props for and its being able to win while injured, if lefthook done his homework he'd see that joe brakes his hand in most his fights and is able to win, he broke his hand in the 4th against lacy, need i go on?

 

[TommyGunn]

Yeah, I know Manfredo had no chance to beat him, i'm just testing Tommuguns virtual chin cause he seems biased and dosent seem to like the negative talk againts Joe, i'm trying to help him not to lose his objectivity!

so it realy just proves your here causing trouble, i replyed to your first post because it was a clear case of hate. and my "virtual chin" is not in doubt especialy while debating with hater who uses childish names which he thinks are funny. (smiling)

 

[TommyGunn]

Can't you make the difference between a hater and an objective person, i guess not, too bad, you'd be a better person

:laugh: :laugh: :thumbsdown:

 

[TommyGunn]

blah blah blah, if your not happy you know what you can do.

 

[TommyGunn]

Well as a matter of fact, no, i don't know what to do, what should i do if im not happy tommy gunns?

You tell me

well id advise you to leave this thread if you cant handle hard facts which have been posted, all ive heard from you is joe hating. as you've stated uk fans are bias which a lot of them are, not me though you wont here me saying kessler is a bad fighter because i dont think he is. what ive said is he has looked ordinary against some scrubs and he's pricing himself out a fight with joe. thats facts. in another post you also said the fight would have been diffrent with manfredo because joe had broke his hand, i pointed out joe breaks his hands in most fights and still gets the win.

if facts make me bias then bias i am. (smiling)

 

[TommyGunn]

Tommy is cool too man. I think you just rubbed him wrong dude. All in all it's a no biggie. I have been back and forth with many people about Floyd so no worries.

correct, boxing forums are all about debating god knows we've had some good back and forths in our time here. it's all good LEFTHOOK seems like a funny guy.

as everyone knows me and erik dont see eye to eye so we generaly stay out each others way on the boards, i wouldn't discredit him as a mod though because of this. LOL

 

[TommyGunn]

That's all you have kept in mind, go see the other threads about Mayweather and Oscar also the 2007 prospect threads, i have posted in there first, it's your farking homework war that started this ordeal, as a mod, you should know better and know where to cool off but hey, you seem embarrassed about Calzaghe comments, why do keep defending him if your so confident about it?



:laugh:

You do man, you do!



what?

The only thing Kessler said was he was not ready for July, he wanted it for September but no, Joe says it's July or nothing saying this with a broken hand and then makes a cunt offer to Taylor for September, Joe is ducking Kessler big time and you can't admit it, that's too bad!

the reason i kept it going with you is because your obviously a lacy fan (hence the nickname lefthook), but hey i enjoyed the back and forth.

 

[TommyGunn]

Discredit Erik as mod???

And you dare call me funny

i said i wouldn't.

 

[TommyGunn]

It is a coincidence, but no, i'm not a Lacy fan, in fact, left hook is my specialty, that's why i got that nick

i beleive you thounsands wouldn't.

 

[TommyGunn]

by the way joe stated around 2 weeks ago that he planned to fight in august instead of july because none of the big names could acomidate him in july, i seen in your earlier post that you said the demands joe was making were for july which is not the case. the offer to kessler is to fight here in the uk in august for £2.5m which is around $5m, id call that class A ducking on the danes part.

 

[TommyGunn]

comon Tommygunns, you know calzaghe and warren's history of offers, they are the king of brainwashing and you are the brainwashed, Kessler clearly stated at his post Andrade fight interview and i quote ''Do you dare Calzaghe'', Kessler wants the fight but not at any price would you?

If Warren is asking for tons of options and keeping all the tv rights, you know that ain't fair, why would Calzaghe have a bigger purse? Kessler now has the 2 belts and don't tell me because Joe is a 10 year reigning titlist, Kessler has 2/3 of the world title and i'll dare say that Kessler merits the bigger purse

titles mean nothing in todays sport, joes regarded as the #1 guy there and is the ring champion, its funny how kessler has been very quite since that "questionable" offer was made. you'd think he'd have come straight out and said if it was actualy BS. the fact is though since the offer was anounced kessler has been posted missing.