Okay, let me try and respond to this. JCC, I've quoted you in italics...my response is in bold following your comments.
I am not an advocate of lifting weights for boxers because lifting weights can make a boxer slow, and musclebound. If a boxer is musclebound, he's going to be slow, also his muscles are going to lose oxgyen faster and that will cause him to tire more easily he will lack stamina.
Muscles don’t “lose oxygen”…. muscles ask for oxygen, and the body must supply them with oxygen, and as I’m sure you know, it’s the blood that brings the oxygen to the muscles. The only thing that circulates blood throughout the body is the heart…so anaerobic capacity is the only thing limiting an athlete of any shape or size. A muscle-bound athlete may tire quicker due to anaerobic capacity, but it’s not a statement of fact that muscle-bound equals lack of stamina. Holyfield, for example, was always cut like Superman himself, and stamina was rarely an issue despite being much more bulky and muscle-bound than his natural weight (which was Cruiserweight, originally).
Boxers today do not have boxers bodies any more, and the reasons they do not is because some lift weights, also its due to lack of training discipline.
I’ll leave this one alone. I can only imagine that your definition of “boxer’s body” is an anorexic looking marathon runner.
Boxers of today do not have the training discipline they use to have. The heavyweights, for example today their weight will vary on the average of 20-40 pounds in between fights where as it use to be only 6-8 pounds between fights, and that's due to a lack of training discipline.
I have two words for you: Bernard Hopkins
I'm not talking about a bar fight here, those kind of fights only usually last no more than a minute, it doesn't usually require much stamina for that, forget about the boxing just go out there and punch the guy.
No one was talking about bar fights, but thanks for clearing that up.
What I'm talking about is the sport of boxing with boxing rules and about getting out there and putting the gloves on and taking it up with somebody in the ring, and that takes much more stamina and conditioning.
Lifting weights is an unnatural form of exercise and another reason that I'm not an advocate of lifting weights beyond the reasons I listed above for boxers is because genrally lifting weights does not address the strength of ligaments and tendons. This can create an inbalance, where some muscles are strong and abnormally large, and others muscles, ligaments and tendons are weak and disproportionate in size. This is why I said that lifting weights generally only works with the muscles that are seen and DOES NOT ... address the majority of muscles that HAVE NO ... aesthetic value.
Once again, I’ve mentioned that a trainer who sees beyond the “bicep curl” and is actually educated in sports medicine will address those oft-used muscles which actually enhance sports performance, when trained correctly. (compound movements actually stretch and strengthen the ligaments, and reflect a more natural posture that compares to many sports movements) You seem to insist that everyone’s definition of weight training is some barbaric prison-yard workout with cement blocks and the focus is to get “the biggest guns possible to impress the babes”.
Also lifting weights ... will not increase flexibilty --- it actually reduces flexiblity, thus hindering the flow of energy through the body.
Not only does it increase flexibility, it also increases bone density, and depending on the speed/weight at which one works/uses, can target both fast and slow twitch muscle fibres.
Lifting weights also puts pressure on internal ograns of the body and lifting weights over a long period of time can damage internal organs of the body, and can lead to heart trouble as well as do damage to other internal organs.
You must be from the school of, “hold-your-breath-in-when-you-exert-yourself”. Seriously, I’ve never heard any medical or sports therapy professional say that in 20 years. Lead to heart trouble? Damage internal organs…? Are we talking diet here, or physical exercise?
Usually people who lift weights or train with weights tend to go to progressively heavier weights
If this is your assumption, you shouldn’t base your whole point on it….it doesn’t apply to any of the athletes who use weight training as a complement to their physical routines….your view is very narrow, to say the least.
... and that can over an extended period of time or over a long period of time lead to damage of internal organs as well as other as forms of physical injuries.
Please provide a verifiable source for this study, that proves internal organs are damaged through weight training. Oh, and yes, I’m sure boxing doesn’t lead to any form of physical injuries…. I have a clear picture of Oscar Dela Hoya stretched on the canvas and momentarily paralyzed by a punch to the liver, not long ago.
I'm not an advocate of lifting weights, and most especially I'm not an advocate of lifting weights for boxers.
As I’ve said throughout this conversation, there is only a small percentage of top athletes today who don’t use weight-lifting (or training with weights) as part of their physical discipline to improve performance and health.
I’ve also been saying, “try it out, under careful and qualified supervision, and see for yourself”. It’s all part of the journey and part of the learning experience.