i agree bill rocky had more power and prob the best chin apart from ali, most importantly he would not have been intimidated by tyson.bill1234 said:Nope, but Marciano would KO him in 1 round and Marciano was 5'10''
who was marciano in with who punched harder than liston frazier or foreman.bill1234 said:Marciano had a better chin than Ali.
No one, but he sure as heck didn't get knocked down as much as Ali/Clay. Liston was just set up to be beaten by Ali/Clay, and Foreman was tired when he got TKO'd wrongfuly. He was getting up. Marciano could hit just as hard as Liston and Foreman.tommygunn said:who was marciano in with who punched harder than liston frazier or foreman.
he didn't fight the caliber of opponent as ali thats why ali was down more.bill1234 said:No one, but he sure as heck didn't get knocked down as much as Ali/Clay. Liston was just set up to be beaten by Ali/Clay, and Foreman was tired when he got TKO'd wrongfuly. He was getting up. Marciano could hit just as hard as Liston and Foreman.
I have never heard of these earlier fights.Can you elaborate? where can you find out more?tommygunn said:he didn't fight the caliber of opponent as ali thats why ali was down more.
by the way i can only remember ali being down against cooper and frazier and marciano was also down twice.
anyhoo rocky was beaten 4or5 times in his early carrer but his managment wiped these stats thats a well known fact.
you also say that liston was setup for clay to beat??? when clay entered the ring his odd's were similaiar to busters when he fought tyson.
Wepner dropped Ali/Clay, so did Shavers. Also those loses were in his amature career. He lost 4 times as an amature, not pro.tommygunn said:he didn't fight the caliber of opponent as ali thats why ali was down more.
by the way i can only remember ali being down against cooper and frazier and marciano was also down twice.
anyhoo rocky was beaten 4or5 times in his early carrer but his managment wiped these stats thats a well known fact.
you also say that liston was setup for clay to beat??? when clay entered the ring his odd's were similaiar to busters when he fought tyson.
I was always a huge fan of Chuck Wepner... because of him... Sylvester Stallone was actually in at least one really good film... so 'thank you' WEPNER!bill1234 said:Wepner dropped Ali/Clay, so did Shavers. Also those loses were in his amature career. He lost 4 times as an amature, not pro.
Some peoeple dismiss Joe Frazier as a brawler... not that there's anything wrong with a brawler... but what people should know is that he had a bad left eye for most of his life... yet was still a great boxer! IF HAD COMPLETE 20/20 DIVISION... HE COULD HAVE BEEN EVEN BETTER THAN ALL!!!bill1234 said:Sylvestor based Rocky Balboa on Chuck Wepner, but he used some of the things Frazier did, like running up the art musam steps.
Yep, he also had a frozen left shoulder, which gave him his great left hook.White Tyson said:Some peoeple dismiss Joe Frazier as a brawler... not that there's anything wrong with a brawler... but what people should know is that he had a bad left eye for most of his life... yet was still a great boxer! IF HAD COMPLETE 20/20 DIVISION... HE COULD HAVE BEEN EVEN BETTER THAN ALL!!!
White Tyson said:Just a question... all of the guys that beat him... from the 6'2" Holyfield... the 6'4" James "Buster" Douglas and finally the 6'6" Kevin McBride... all pretty damn big guys... gigantic compared to his 5'11" or 5'11 and a half inch self... was there ever a guy that was shorter than him or around his height that beat him?:dunno:
he lost on the pro circuit also his managment wiped this from the records.bill1234 said:Wepner dropped Ali/Clay, so did Shavers. Also those loses were in his amature career. He lost 4 times as an amature, not pro.
