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24.04.08 - By Scoop Malinowski: Team Mayweather has floated several different excuses and reasons to duck Miguel Cotto in the past but this week, probably after extremely careful deliberation, they've come out and settled on one - that Cotto lacks enough star power to interest Floyd..

Leonard Ellerbe said to the New York Post: "I think Cotto is a good fighter who's definitely improving. His promotional company has done a good job in getting the right type of fights to increase his visibility. But he's still not there yet. The numbers don't lie. If nobody's watching him as evidenced by the ratings, what makes him important? I'm not saying he's a bad fighter. He's a good fighter. But he's obviously not on Floyd's level because nobody's watching."
"It took Floyd nine years to get on pay-per-view," Ellerbe said. "When Floyd steps into the ring, it's going to be about legacy and economics. He's in control of what's going on and if those two things aren't happening, Floyd's not going to be part of that."

If you remember, Team Mayweather has also used several other flimsy excuses to avoid Cotto: 1. We won't do business with Bob Arum again. 2. I'm not going to let boxing retire me, I will retire from boxing, when asked by Larry Merchant on HBO after the Hatton win if he will fight Cotto. 3. Floyd's bored with boxing. 4. Floyd's body is breaking down. 5. Cotto is a punching bag and he knows he can't beat Floyd. 6. Floyd may go to MMA or WWE.

So now Team Mayweather has made it clear yet again they are absolutely refusing to consider a Welterweight Superfight, one that everyone wants to see, because Cotto is, in their opinion, lacking star power, according to an HBO ratings statistic they came up with. Whatever the rating was, no one can deny the atmosphere at the Boardwalk Hall on April 12 was much more exciting than any Mayweather fights which weren't piggybacked on Gatti, Oscar or Hatton.

The problem most logical boxing fans will have with this Team Mayweather excuse is that at one time Floyd was himself in the same situation. Floyd's HBO ratings vs. Henry Bruseles must have been similar or worse but Floyd persevered and Arturo Gatti, being the true warrior he is, fought Mayweather in a match he was a massive long-shot. Team Gatti never once used any excuses such as "Floyd is unimportant to us" or "Floyd's ratings for the Bruseles fight were too low for us to fight him." Gatti accepted the fact it was the fight the boxing powers wanted to see and some fans wanted and he agreed to it. Gatti, as a superstar, respected the fact Floyd deserved an opportunity on the big stage and gave it to him, without using any EXCUSES.

Next it was Oscar De La Hoya. Oscar, the most popular figure in the sport, did not have to fight the far less popular but talented Mayweather who was practically booed out of the arena during his boring win against Carlos Baldomir. Oscar, a much bigger star than Floyd, did not use any excuses to duck Mayweather like citing Floyd's small (in comparison) pay-per-view numbers or the fact ticket-buyers began walking out of the Baldomir fight well before it was over. Oscar did what was right for boxing (and himself), gave the fans the fight they wanted to see, and gave a very big special favor for the career of Mayweather.

Ellerbe, speaking for Mayweather, is not showing anywhere remotely near the same respect or generosity towards Miguel Cotto. They are desperately grasping on to the straw excuse that 'Cotto lacks enough star power/importance for us to fight him.' Which is totally hypocritical to the generosity of Gatti and Oscar which helped Mayweather ascend to his current position in boxing.

Gatti did not seek to maximize payday rematches with Branco or Dorin as a way to duck Mayweather. De La Hoya did not seek to maximize lucrative rematches with Vargas or Mayorga so in order to duck Mayweather. They did the right thing for the sport and the fans, they fought the best and took their chances.

Why won't Mayweather fight the best and take his chances? It seems rather clear by now, with all the different excuses and reasons to duck Cotto, Mayweather fears something about Cotto and is unsure if he can defeat the Puerto Rican powerhouse. That's the final conclusion and it must be written and said. There's no time to sugarcoat it or sweep it under the rug anymore. Bob Arum is probably 100% right when he insists with firm certainty that Mayweather "is a PSYCHOLOGICAL COWARD."

Boxing fans should unite and make a collective statement when they try to sell us Floyd vs. Oscar II, a lousy rematch of a first fight which Glen Johnson called "garbage" and Bob Foster called "a bunch of junk." Because there is by far only one superfight in boxing right now and no matter what a self-serving yes man like Ellerbe (according to Jeff Mayweather) says, it's Miguel Cotto vs. Floyd Mayweather. A tantalizing showdown between the two best welterweights on the planet, humble gracious champion vs. the arrogant titleholder...the honorable and noble class act vs. the immature spoiled punk...the fearless warrior who will fight whoever they put in front of him vs. the handpicker who has selected every single opponent from day one...the relentless offensive firepower of Cotto vs. the aesthetic defensive boxing skills of Floyd...the soft-spoken gentleman vs. the loud-mouthed braggart.

Ellerbe can talk all he wants about how unimportant Miguel Cotto is. But it's a bluff. An empty, self-serving, self-surviving bluff. The real reason Mayweather won't fight Cotto is because there's a more than likely chance Floyd will be violently and abusively knocked out.

Because if Team Mayweather truly felt confident they could beat Cotto wouldn't they at least say something like, Yes we will fight Cotto once he beats Margarito or so-and-so? But Team Mayweather has never once said they will fight Cotto under any conditions, not even winner take all. Or a 90-10% split.

I believe Team Mayweather, despite all their different excuses and reasons, is actually patiently banking on one single option to avoid Cotto. They are hoping Cotto loses to Antonio Margarito or, say, Paul Williams.

Team Mayweather's latest excuse only affirms what most logical boxing fans already know. Floyd Mayweather is afraid to step in a ring and fight a young, strong, intelligent, confident, proud, classy and honorable warrior like Miguel Cotto

Alot of what he says is true:cheeky4:
 

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This is a very poorly written article. it doesn't even come close to answering any question. All it does is bad mouth mayweather, and jump to conclusions that don't have any empirical evidence behind them.

that said, i think the jist of what he is trying to get at is all wrong as well. He says that "team mayweather wont give cotto any chance to fight him" or something of that nature.. when It was stated at nearly the start of the article that team mayweather is simply waiting for Cotto to get bigger numbers. Its pretty clear that they are waiting for Cotto to get a HUGE fan base, and then Mayweather will fight Cotto. To make it a true Mega fight.

and don't even start accusing me of nut hugging Mayweather, because I dont like him in the least bit, and honestly cant wait for him to be dethroned. All im doing is stating the obvious.
 

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Mayweather obviously wasn't on Oscars level because he had sold nothing even close 1m buys before that fight. :rolleyes:

The hypocrite in team Mayweather is blatant, he needs to fight Cotto after Oscar.
 

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read this folks...

24.04.08 - By Scoop Malinowski: Team Mayweather has floated several different excuses and reasons to duck Miguel Cotto in the past but this week, probably after extremely careful deliberation, they've come out and settled on one - that Cotto lacks enough star power to interest Floyd..

Leonard Ellerbe said to the New York Post: "I think Cotto is a good fighter who's definitely improving. His promotional company has done a good job in getting the right type of fights to increase his visibility. But he's still not there yet. The numbers don't lie. If nobody's watching him as evidenced by the ratings, what makes him important? I'm not saying he's a bad fighter. He's a good fighter. But he's obviously not on Floyd's level because nobody's watching."
"It took Floyd nine years to get on pay-per-view," Ellerbe said. "When Floyd steps into the ring, it's going to be about legacy and economics. He's in control of what's going on and if those two things aren't happening, Floyd's not going to be part of that."

If you remember, Team Mayweather has also used several other flimsy excuses to avoid Cotto: 1. We won't do business with Bob Arum again. 2. I'm not going to let boxing retire me, I will retire from boxing, when asked by Larry Merchant on HBO after the Hatton win if he will fight Cotto. 3. Floyd's bored with boxing. 4. Floyd's body is breaking down. 5. Cotto is a punching bag and he knows he can't beat Floyd. 6. Floyd may go to MMA or WWE.

So now Team Mayweather has made it clear yet again they are absolutely refusing to consider a Welterweight Superfight, one that everyone wants to see, because Cotto is, in their opinion, lacking star power, according to an HBO ratings statistic they came up with. Whatever the rating was, no one can deny the atmosphere at the Boardwalk Hall on April 12 was much more exciting than any Mayweather fights which weren't piggybacked on Gatti, Oscar or Hatton.

The problem most logical boxing fans will have with this Team Mayweather excuse is that at one time Floyd was himself in the same situation. Floyd's HBO ratings vs. Henry Bruseles must have been similar or worse but Floyd persevered and Arturo Gatti, being the true warrior he is, fought Mayweather in a match he was a massive long-shot. Team Gatti never once used any excuses such as "Floyd is unimportant to us" or "Floyd's ratings for the Bruseles fight were too low for us to fight him." Gatti accepted the fact it was the fight the boxing powers wanted to see and some fans wanted and he agreed to it. Gatti, as a superstar, respected the fact Floyd deserved an opportunity on the big stage and gave it to him, without using any EXCUSES.

Next it was Oscar De La Hoya. Oscar, the most popular figure in the sport, did not have to fight the far less popular but talented Mayweather who was practically booed out of the arena during his boring win against Carlos Baldomir. Oscar, a much bigger star than Floyd, did not use any excuses to duck Mayweather like citing Floyd's small (in comparison) pay-per-view numbers or the fact ticket-buyers began walking out of the Baldomir fight well before it was over. Oscar did what was right for boxing (and himself), gave the fans the fight they wanted to see, and gave a very big special favor for the career of Mayweather.

Ellerbe, speaking for Mayweather, is not showing anywhere remotely near the same respect or generosity towards Miguel Cotto. They are desperately grasping on to the straw excuse that 'Cotto lacks enough star power/importance for us to fight him.' Which is totally hypocritical to the generosity of Gatti and Oscar which helped Mayweather ascend to his current position in boxing.

Gatti did not seek to maximize payday rematches with Branco or Dorin as a way to duck Mayweather. De La Hoya did not seek to maximize lucrative rematches with Vargas or Mayorga so in order to duck Mayweather. They did the right thing for the sport and the fans, they fought the best and took their chances.

Why won't Mayweather fight the best and take his chances? It seems rather clear by now, with all the different excuses and reasons to duck Cotto, Mayweather fears something about Cotto and is unsure if he can defeat the Puerto Rican powerhouse. That's the final conclusion and it must be written and said. There's no time to sugarcoat it or sweep it under the rug anymore. Bob Arum is probably 100% right when he insists with firm certainty that Mayweather "is a PSYCHOLOGICAL COWARD."

Boxing fans should unite and make a collective statement when they try to sell us Floyd vs. Oscar II, a lousy rematch of a first fight which Glen Johnson called "garbage" and Bob Foster called "a bunch of junk." Because there is by far only one superfight in boxing right now and no matter what a self-serving yes man like Ellerbe (according to Jeff Mayweather) says, it's Miguel Cotto vs. Floyd Mayweather. A tantalizing showdown between the two best welterweights on the planet, humble gracious champion vs. the arrogant titleholder...the honorable and noble class act vs. the immature spoiled punk...the fearless warrior who will fight whoever they put in front of him vs. the handpicker who has selected every single opponent from day one...the relentless offensive firepower of Cotto vs. the aesthetic defensive boxing skills of Floyd...the soft-spoken gentleman vs. the loud-mouthed braggart.

Ellerbe can talk all he wants about how unimportant Miguel Cotto is. But it's a bluff. An empty, self-serving, self-surviving bluff. The real reason Mayweather won't fight Cotto is because there's a more than likely chance Floyd will be violently and abusively knocked out.

Because if Team Mayweather truly felt confident they could beat Cotto wouldn't they at least say something like, Yes we will fight Cotto once he beats Margarito or so-and-so? But Team Mayweather has never once said they will fight Cotto under any conditions, not even winner take all. Or a 90-10% split.

I believe Team Mayweather, despite all their different excuses and reasons, is actually patiently banking on one single option to avoid Cotto. They are hoping Cotto loses to Antonio Margarito or, say, Paul Williams.

Team Mayweather's latest excuse only affirms what most logical boxing fans already know. Floyd Mayweather is afraid to step in a ring and fight a young, strong, intelligent, confident, proud, classy and honorable warrior like Miguel Cotto

Alot of what he says is true:cheeky4:
LOL. That's got to be one of the stupidest things I ever read. Yeah there was really a big demand for Gatti-Branco 2 and Gatti-Dorin 2.
 

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This is a very poorly written article. it doesn't even come close to answering any question. All it does is bad mouth mayweather, and jump to conclusions that don't have any empirical evidence behind them.

that said, i think the jist of what he is trying to get at is all wrong as well. He says that "team mayweather wont give cotto any chance to fight him" or something of that nature.. when It was stated at nearly the start of the article that team mayweather is simply waiting for Cotto to get bigger numbers. Its pretty clear that they are waiting for Cotto to get a HUGE fan base, and then Mayweather will fight Cotto. To make it a true Mega fight.

and don't even start accusing me of nut hugging Mayweather, because I dont like him in the least bit, and honestly cant wait for him to be dethroned. All im doing is stating the obvious.
Mayweather isnt fighting Cotto for one reason.. He's too big a risk team Mayweather are scared their boy will get KO'd like Jones Jr did.
Theyre hoping that Tony Margarito beats Cotto if they meet then they'll say " See told ya he wasnt worthy of fighting Floyd" But then they'd have to deal with Tony Margarito. OOps sorry I forgotmayweathers already ducked Tony hasnt he.:cheeky4::cheeky4:
 

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If you want to see Cotto/Floyd everyone ebtter collectivly hope Oscar loses to Forbes. The good part in this situation is we have our good buddy VD attending the fight. So VD, do your part. Make out with Daisy while Oscar is fighting and cause him to lose his concentration. YOu can do it buddy! We believe in you as the super pimp of the board! :D
 

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If you want to see Cotto/Floyd everyone ebtter collectivly hope Oscar loses to Forbes. The good part in this situation is we have our good buddy VD attending the fight. So VD, do your part. Make out with Daisy while Oscar is fighting and cause him to lose his concentration. YOu can do it buddy! We believe in you as the super pimp of the board! :D
LMAO i think that is the single best boxing tactic i've ever heard! But Cotto - Mayweather is going to be massive if it ever happens... I think it will eventually, as if de la hoya's plans of fighting Cotto goes ahead for December. Then when Cotto re-arranges Oscar's internals Mayweather will have absolutly no excuses. If he doesn't retire before then that is.
 

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If you want to see Cotto/Floyd everyone ebtter collectivly hope Oscar loses to Forbes. The good part in this situation is we have our good buddy VD attending the fight. So VD, do your part. Make out with Daisy while Oscar is fighting and cause him to lose his concentration. YOu can do it buddy! We believe in you as the super pimp of the board! :D
Yeah grab her tits or something. Make him react! :laugh:
 

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Violent. I think the idea was that Gatti as we all know back a few years ago could have fought a paper bag and filled the seats specially in the east coast.So the Floyd fight was one he didn't have to take the same goes true for Oscar but in a world wide scale.
 

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The writer of this is real biased he sounds more like a blogger than an article writer. Before I saw this article I honestly thought and still think that Mayweather is waiting and rooting for Cotto to lose to say "I told you he was average". I remember him prediciting Mosley was going to knock him out early. He wants no real threat to his 0 because I think he believes that if he loses it he will 'fall off' #1 p4p, his legacy will be tarnished, he won't be dating r&b singers and hanging out with rappers, etc. In his mind his 0 and being #1 p4p can justify the stupid **** that comes out of his mouth like "I'm better than SRL". If he loses that, than even HE won't be able to to believe himself when he says he's the greatest ever.
 

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Good post, i totaly agree he's scared of that threat to his 0.
 

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I try not to judge any top fighter. None of us will ever see the type of money that mayweather has seen. To be completely honest i would prolly be doing the same thing floyd is doing. Id wait for cotto to build up his name some more and then take the 20-30 million dollar pay day in 2009 or even 2010. Cotto- Mayweather will happen sooner or later. I bet mayweather will still make 15-20 million off the oscar rematch. It easy to say mayweahter is ducking cotto, but in all reality i beleive he is ducking a smaller paycheck
 
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