[JohnnySparta]

I am not talking about credentials, what they meant to their time period, etc. What I am asking is who do you think would win if you plucked each top HVYWGT of all time, and had them face each other in the ring, who would reign as the most dominant? (Clearly none would likely go undefeated as styles make fights... but who would reign as the best overall?)

 

[bill1234]

IMO Marciano, Holmes, and Ali would be the top 3 guys.

 

[KNUCKLE UP]

IMO Marciano, Holmes, and Ali would be the top 3 guys.

Tyson would knock Holmes out again!!!:cheeky4:

 

[bill1234]

Tyson would knock Holmes out again!!!:cheeky4:

Just like he did Douglas right?

 

[TysonJones]

Tyson was the greatest and most dominant heavyweight ever. Robin Givens Drugged Tyson with a type of anti depressant before the douglas fight, he was without rooney and d'amato and didnt train a lick. After that, it only got worse because h ecouldnt handle anything mentally.

 

[KNUCKLE UP]

Just like he did Douglas right?

Anyone could get up with a 10 count that was actually more like 15. Except for Holmes third KD with Tyson!:cheeky4:

 

[TysonJones]

my new best friend ^^^^^^^:thumbsup:

 

[Sonny Liston]

The Greatest Ever Heavyweight Boxer? Ever? It's Muhammad Ali! :thumbsup:

 

[TysonJones]

I'd say thats arguable. I have him second on my all time greatest heavyweight list.

 

[bill1234]

Anyone could get up with a 10 count that was actually more like 15. Except for Holmes third KD with Tyson!:cheeky4:

Thats a funny thing to say, knowing Larry didn't get a count and Cortez just stopped it because he's a ref that is a jerk to fighters he doesn't like...

 

[bill1234]

Tyson was the greatest and most dominant heavyweight ever. Robin Givens Drugged Tyson with a type of anti depressant before the douglas fight, he was without rooney and d'amato and didnt train a lick. After that, it only got worse because h ecouldnt handle anything mentally.

Tyson wasn't the greatest ever. His 2 best wins were over an old, rusty, illtrained Larry Holmes who was 17 years older than him, and an older, terrified Spinks who was a lightheavy, and his knee was shot by then. Givens didn't drug Tyson with anything, Tyson was just dumb, and prefered not to train. Its no ones fault but Tyson's that he didn't train. They tried to get him in the gym, but he refused. Until the last few weeks, but it was far to late by then. IMO Douglas on that night would have beaten Tyson anyway, on that night, he had the perfect style/gameplan to beat Tyson, and he executed it. He put the lay out on how to beat Tyson, and Lennox Lewis, years later, used it too.

 

[KNUCKLE UP]

Thats a funny thing to say, knowing Larry didn't get a count and Cortez just stopped it because he's a ref that is a jerk to fighters he doesn't like...

Come on now. Holmes just got KD 3 times. I'd say Cortez did him a favor. And from what I saw, Holmes was hurtin that last KD.

 

[JohnnySparta]

I'd have a hard time following fights if the ref's were really as biased as you imply.

 

[KNUCKLE UP]

There was no bias in that fight. Tyson beat Holmes down plain and simple.

 

[bill1234]

There was no bias in that fight. Tyson beat Holmes down plain and simple.

Cortez was. Tyson was elbowing Larry, or hitting him after the bell, and Cortez was yelling at Larry. Also why wouldn't you count with 6 seconds left in the round? Cortez stopped numerous fights after the first good knock down without even counting.

 

[KNUCKLE UP]

It's his call, that is his job. IMO, it was a damn good call stopping that fight. It was very clear Holmes had no chance after the 3rd KD. Any ref would have stopped it at that point. You think Holmes could have come back to win after that?

 

[bill1234]

It's his call, that is his job. IMO, it was a damn good call stopping that fight. It was very clear Holmes had no chance after the 3rd KD. Any ref would have stopped it at that point. You think Holmes could have come back to win after that?

Depends. If he went back to how he fought at the end of the first and begining of the 4ht, he could have made a good fight out of it. Why would you stop it with 6 seconds left in the round if your so sure he wouldn't get up? And even if he did, there wouldn't be enough time for Tyson to do more damage. Holmes was a very fast recoverer, and would have gotten his head straight during the break, and after that, who knows.

 

[KNUCKLE UP]

Clearly your bias is taking over cuz he was down for a good 30 seconds while the doctors were checking him out. He bounced around for what 45 seconds in the fourth rd and throw about 8-10 jabs. That would not have helped any! 6 seconds or 60 seconds, it dont matter you are knocked out!

 

[bill1234]

Clearly your bias is taking over cuz he was down for a good 30 seconds while the doctors were checking him out. He bounced around for what 45 seconds in the fourth rd and throw about 8-10 jabs. That would not have helped any! 6 seconds or 60 seconds, it dont matter you are knocked out!

The only reason he was down for 30 seconds after the 3rd knockdown, is because, as usual (again) Cortez called the doctors over as soons as Holmes was knocked down. Once they LET Holmes get up, he got up no problem. Those 8-10 jabs all landed clean, and thats what he would have done in his prime, except, he would have been faster, and kept it up the whole fight, and slipped some uppercuts/overhand rights in there. If your knocked out, then the ref should count you out, not stop the fight before you even hit the ground.

 

[KNUCKLE UP]

But he didn't fight him in his prime. Would it have been different in his prime? Maybe. Who's to say. I would still say Tyson kos him. You would say Holmes wins. All I know is Tyson KO'd him and Cortez made the right call.