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I cant believe this is PPV. I will probably get it becuase there are no other fights on. I order almost all PPV's but even the undercard is weak.
The santa Cruz vs Diaz fight is probably the best fight on the card.


I think Rahman will be motivated for this fight & KO Maskaev within 4 or 5 rounds.
 

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The Rock needs to stay with his jab and box . If he trades blows and thinks he can slug it out after the fith or sixth round then he will be in trouble
If he shows more heart and sheer determination than his last few fights than he should win. If anything, revenge, should motivate this win to avenge getting blasted through the ropes on HBO.This will probably go the distance.I hope , I am wrong because he could use a major league knockout.......
 

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Maskaev has a weak chin & below average stamina so I cant see this fight goin the distance. Only way is if Rahman is affraid of running into something & fights really conservative.

Although in the current heavyweight division anyone can beat anyone on any night.

I think outa the 4 heavyweights champs Rahman may be the worst.
 

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I have not had a chance to see this bout because our bouts ended to late for us .I am not surprised that it went the distance,Oh well the Rock got his chance,Who would give him another shot? may be thats it for him, I hate to say so but at age 33 he'll hang around and get a shot in a couple of years.
 

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The fights where pretty good lasy night. 2 come from behind dramatic Ko's. And Soto vs Valle was as slugfest.

Rahman is just about done. Maskaev should not have been there in the 12th to comeback & KO him. A good heavyweight should stop Maskaev within 8 rounds or so.

I would like to see Brock fight Maskaev but sounds like its gonna be the winner of Peter vs Toney.
 

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European-born Maskaev scores second KO over Hasim Rahman for WBC heavyweight title

For about a year now, promoter Dennis Rappaport would tell anyone who would listen that his heavyweight fighter, Oleg Maskaev, was the modern day "Cinderella" story - a humble fighter who overcame a rough background and bigger odds to reach the pinnacle of sports, the world heavyweight championship.
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rankings and divisions

So now we have another heavyweight champion, Oleg Maskaev. That is, he has the WBC title, right? Wladimir Klitschko has the IBF, IBO, and NABF crowns, correct? Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Boxing Record Archives(boxrec) ranks Calvin Brock as the number one heavyweight. But his
boxrec record also lists him as the winner of a vacant WBC title fight. Also, he holds the IBA championship.

As a fifty-eight year old, I can recall those simpler times when there was only one champion in each weight class. That is why I can still feel the excitement I felt the night in 1964 when my father listened on the radio to the first fight between the single heavyweight champion in the world, Sonny Liston, and the challenger, then called Cassius Clay, later Muhammed Ali. There was that feeling of surprise, almost disbelief, when Clay triumphed. It was like David slaying Goliath. Never have I been one to always be preaching about the good old days. But boxing titles then had more meaning for me. There was one man on the entire planet who could not be beaten in boxing.

Later in the sixties, the different organizations began, NABF being the first, that had their own championship belts. Was television to blame for this turn of events, greedy promoters?

So now, Maskaev and Klitschko should be fighting within the next year to unify the title. But somehow the excitement is lacking.
 

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Nothing is set in stone but I heard the winner of next months Toney vs Peter fight is gonna fight Maskaev next.
 

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pollux said:
So now we have another heavyweight champion, Oleg Maskaev. That is, he has the WBC title, right? Wladimir Klitschko has the IBF, IBO, and NABF crowns, correct? Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Boxing Record Archives(boxrec) ranks Calvin Brock as the number one heavyweight. But his
boxrec record also lists him as the winner of a vacant WBC title fight. Also, he holds the IBA championship.

As a fifty-eight year old, I can recall those simpler times when there was only one champion in each weight class. That is why I can still feel the excitement I felt the night in 1964 when my father listened on the radio to the first fight between the single heavyweight champion in the world, Sonny Liston, and the challenger, then called Cassius Clay, later Muhammed Ali. There was that feeling of surprise, almost disbelief, when Clay triumphed. It was like David slaying Goliath. Never have I been one to always be preaching about the good old days. But boxing titles then had more meaning for me. There was one man on the entire planet who could not be beaten in boxing.

Later in the sixties, the different organizations began, NABF being the first, that had their own championship belts. Was television to blame for this turn of events, greedy promoters?

So now, Maskaev and Klitschko should be fighting within the next year to unify the title. But somehow the excitement is lacking.
Sorry to tell you this but NABF and IBO belts are not considered "major" anymore. The four major titles are:

WBC: Oleg Maskaev
WBA: Nicolay Valuev
IBF: Wladimir Klitschko
WBO: Sergei Liakhovich

There hasn't been a unified title since one of the men in my avatar retired.
 

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I agree with Erik and pollux. But there shouldn't even be 6 or 7 belts there should be 1. Now its not saying much to be the heavyweight champion because there are 5 or 6 others. When somebody unifys all the belts I'll start paying more attention.
 

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I know it will be a while before somebody unifys all of the titles but I can wait. But I know its for the money but when they get to greedy people will stop watching fights on PPV and stop going to the fights they will just find the results in the newspaper or on ESPNNEWS.
 

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(November 6, 1999) Atlantic City, NJ. (Atlantic City Convention Center) --

Taken from boxing times. Oleg Maskaev is victorious. :thumbsup:

Just when you think that they are ready to count out boxing the sport finds new life and thrills. Coming on the heels of a federal 32-count indictment of IBF president Bob Lee and three of his compatriots for bribery and racketeering charges, the sport looked dead again. However, what makes boxing so compelling is what takes place inside the ropes. That was the case last night when four big heavyweights went to war and two guys exited on their shields.

The Russian version of the old Canadian heavyweight George Chuvalo, Mr. Oleg Maskaev drilled the number sixth-ranked contender Hasim Rahman with a wicked right hand to score a brutal 8th round knockout.

The shot drove Rahman through the ropes, out past the ring apron, and on to the venerable hardwood floor flat on his back. Rahman was unable to climb back into the ring after a count of twenty and Maskaev was awarded a stunning KO victory at the 40-second mark.

Within seconds of Rahman hitting the deck, unruly fans began firing folding chairs and alternate ref Steve Smoger was nailed by flying metal. A wild melee ensued and it took several minutes before order was finally restored. Security cops and New Jersey's finest battled with disenfranchised Rahman fans, or people who were unhappy with the shocking conclusion to the lively affair.

"I was a little slow but I believed in myself," Maskaev said after the victory. "I said I'm not going to give up. I believed in my power."
 

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about 3 weeks late but--how was it that HRahman fell into the same pattern against O as he did in their initial fight? wwht? Rock is a better boxer and was able to defeat O if he kept the distance and didn't go toe-to-toe. He should have won against the 37 year old but tried too many times to go for the stoppage. Not that Rock isn't a good/great fighter but he let this slip away just as MichaelMoorer did against Big George and just as he did 7 odd years ago. For a split second, I thought Rock was gonna go through the ropes again. He shouldn't have wasted his opportunity as the titleholder against a boxer (with power) that didn't deserve a shot at the title.

BTW, Rock never represented AMERICA's LAST LINE OF DEFENSE--Oleg did, as a 2 year naturalized citizen Oleg rescued us from the clutches of another pullooka.
 

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There are no great heavyweights now-a-days. The heavyweight division sucks and thats that.:cool:
 

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There are only good ones now. (sp)Lahovitch, Klitschko, Sultan Ibragimov and Samuel Peter are the ones I look to see improve. Samuel Peter would have been touted as the next Mike Tyson had he been able to close the deal on Wladdy and unfortunately, he needs to destroy JToney within 5 to gain anything from this fight.
Lahovich will have a rematch (against ?MonteBarret?) and has an opportunity to capture some fans. Sultan didn't live up to his hype in his last outing (can't remember the name) but should have won the draw decision. He didn't show that 20 pro fights is enough to warrant a title shot against Wladdy.

And then there is one-Wladdy-the dude should try to blast the next opponent out. No more decisions, no more holding (see Samuel Peter) but go for the knockout-quickest way to get on the great list.
 

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There are only good ones now. (sp)Lahovitch, Klitschko, Sultan Ibragimov and Samuel Peter are the ones I look to see improve. Samuel Peter would have been touted as the next Mike Tyson had he been able to close the deal on Wladdy and unfortunately, he needs to destroy JToney within 5 to gain anything from this fight.
Lahovich will have a rematch (against ?MonteBarret?) and has an opportunity to capture some fans. Sultan didn't live up to his hype in his last outing (can't remember the name) but should have won the draw decision. He didn't show that 20 pro fights is enough to warrant a title shot against Wladdy.

And then there is one-Wladdy-the dude should try to blast the next opponent out. No more decisions, no more holding (see Samuel Peter) but go for the knockout-quickest way to get on the great list.

I dont think Liakhovich ever fought Barrett. I hear Liakhovich is gonna defend against Shannon Briggs. And Klitschko may be fighting Brock.

I like the heavyweight division cause you never know who is gonna win. Just wish they would fight a bit more often some are not active enough.
 

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Klitchko is the best one out there, but even Jerry Querry or Jimmy Ellis would make him look like a fool, nobody out there would be contender in the 70's Toney might have been.
 

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I dont think Liakhovich ever fought Barrett. I hear Liakhovich is gonna defend against Shannon Briggs. And Klitschko may be fighting Brock.

I like the heavyweight division cause you never know who is gonna win. Just wish they would fight a bit more often some are not active enough.

My mistake it was Lamon Brewster. Needless to say Lakhovich showed skill and the ability to take a punch. He has a good shot at defeated the majority of heavies out there.
 
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