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the points u make are al hypothetical. how can u possibly say guys like louis, moore and walcott were not past their best?? they were in their late 30s...not even modern day athletes are at their best let alone boxers. specially in boxers from rockys era who would have fought many hard tough ring brawls. guys like moore and walcott..their bodies were battered and bruised. and on the point of ali not being modest, he often described floyd patterson as the most technically skilled fighter he ever fought, sugar ray robinson as the greatest fighter he ever saw. frazier as the greatest fighter he ever fought... much of what he said was hype in his younger days...as he got older and matured he became more serious during interviews, only coming out with jibes against other fighters for comedic value. and i just want to say ali at his peak would have destroyed marciano..maybe no KO but marciano would have been mentally and physically destroyed by the 15th..if the fight wasn't already stopped.
It is not hypothetical that they were at the best point in their careers when Marciano fought them. It is obvious Joe Louis was past his best, but he was far from being completely shot too. He was still a very relevent contender when Marciano knocked him out. Moore and Walcott had never seen better points in their careers and were putting on consistently good performances when Marciano knocked them out.
 

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It is not hypothetical that they were at the best point in their careers when Marciano fought them. It is obvious Joe Louis was past his best, but he was far from being completely shot too. He was still a very relevent contender when Marciano knocked him out. Moore and Walcott had never seen better points in their careers and were putting on consistently good performances when Marciano knocked them out.
oh come on. walcott had sen many better days as had moore. plus walcott was never a great fighter only become champ after the greats before him had retired.
 

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oh come on. walcott had sen many better days as had moore. plus walcott was never a great fighter only become champ after the greats before him had retired.
Would you like to point out those many better days?

Were Walcott's better days when he was in his mid-late 20's and consistently comming into the ring starving and undertrained?

Walcott became champ when he knocked out Ezzard Charles with one of the best timed hooker-cuts of all time. Do you consider Ezzard Charles great? Do you realize that in 1947 Jersey Joe Walcott lost a disputed decision against the great Joe Louis? Walcott is known as one of the most clever and "cutest" (meaning able to sucker you into thinking you're safe then hitting you with a hard punch) fighters of all time. He hit very hard with either hand and was very tricky. He took very calculated stepped and had very good defence.

When Moore fought Marciano he had a whopping 2 losses and 1 draw in the past 6 years while still fighting good competition. One loss was a DQ. Look at his record, he fighting at his best and he was at the best point in his career when Rocky knocked him out.

Is there a reason why Bernard Hopkins can be better at 37 than he was at 27? Or is Hopkins the only fighter who has ever been able to peak late and remain great into his 40's?
 
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