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I can't help but like and feel sorry for Ali. Ali seems like such a nice guy. He loved doing magic tricks and stuff. What I thought was funny was when Norton had his terrible car crash in the late 80's, Ali went to visit him and he did magic tricks for him. Norton said "If he does one more damned magic trick, I am gonna get better just so I can whup him!". Ali still has a sence of humor too. But unfortuneately, he has parkinsons, and probably only has 10 years to live at the most.
 

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Muhammad Ali was the smartest, nicest, funniest, most charismatic and best ever Heavyweight Boxer in all of boxing history... even when he "INSULTED" his opponents... he was only ever having some fun... he didn't really mean it! :thumbsup:
 

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White Tyson said:
Muhammad Ali was the smartest, nicest, funniest, most charismatic and best ever Heavyweight Boxer in all of boxing history... even when he "INSULTED" his opponents... he was only ever having some fun... he didn't really mean it! :thumbsup:
If you mean out of the ring, Ali wasn't that smart. He dropped out of highschool to do boxing.
 

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bill1234 said:

I can't help but like and feel sorry for Ali.

Ali seems like such a nice guy.

He loved doing magic tricks and stuff.

What I thought was funny was when Norton had his terrible car crash in the late 80's, Ali went to visit him and he did magic tricks for him.

Norton said "If he does one more damned magic trick, I am gonna get better just so I can whup him!".

Ali still has a sensee of humor too.

But unfortuneately, he has parkinsons, and probably only has 10 years to live at the most.
Muhummed Ali's now 65 years old. Long before parkinsons the trouble he had was due to having stayed to long boxing.

If you continue to fight and keep taking punches your at risk to suffer some measure of brain deterioration.

Of course, this is why the medical community the Amercian Medical Assoication, for example has called for a ban on boxing.

And the reason the American Neurological Assoication, Amercian Academy of Neurology, British Candian and the Australian Medical Assoication have supported the ban and want to abolish boxing.

The American Medical Assoication had claimed to have conducted a study of boxers in the professional ranks in which revealed that 4 out of 20 boxers have some measure of brain deterioration.

However, I do know that such studies can be and often are manipulated to be able to come to predetermined conclusions, and this happens all the time.

Muhummed ended up a punch drunk (to have some measure of brain deterioration) for reasons of having remained in boxing too long.

But Muhummed isn't alone in being in that condition.

Over the many years I've known some old fighters to have ended up the same way for reasons of having stay too long.

Muhammed took up boxing at 11 or 12 years old, and look how long he stayed there. He stayed there for a very long time.

Sometimes and maybe even often if a guy is really successful as a fighter he starts to believe he's invincible and that can result in a fighter staying too long and pass his prime.

I, personally was not pleased to see Evander Holyfield come back for this reason.

For there is a good chance that he could very well end up punch drunk, if he isn't already to some degree.

Many people believe he has already suffered some measure of brain deterorioration. I'm sure he has he'd stayed too long.

I tool up boxing at age 9, and got out at age 22, and that's much the reason or at least in part as for why I did get out when I did. I didn't would to end up in that condition.

But even in the amatuer ranks the whole time and years I spent there I think was really too long.

However, I especially do support amatuer boxing for youngsters for reasons its a great fitness and confidence builder.

Only, I would not encourage any one to stay even in the amatuer ranks for as many years as I did.

In fact, towards the end, I can remember getting frequent headaches after some inner city touraments fights in which I would be winning all my fights and for reasons of it I was fighting every night until the touranment was over in having finally reached the finals.

Looking back on it now, I'm glad I got out when I did.

Boxing is great!

Its just that you want to get in and get out and not to stay too long.

Of course, today in the amatuer ranks the rules and regulations have changed to reduce the risk of injury, and are now required to wear protective head gear now, and to wear bigger gloves.

But that wasn't so in my time there in the 1960s and 1970s.

I know a number of guys that took up boxing at a very young age as I did, and all of them at least of the ones I know about all spent about the same number of years boxing that I did. Of course, they were good at it or they wouldn't have stayed there for as many years as they did.


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White Tyson said:
Muhammad Ali was the smartest, nicest, funniest, most charismatic and best ever Heavyweight Boxer in all of boxing history... even when he "INSULTED" his opponents... he was only ever having some fun... he didn't really mean it!
Muhammed Ali shoot his mouth off like he did to build the gate, and to drawn attention to himself and it worked, he did draw money, crowds and attention.

Muhummed had a gimmick and it worked for him, and he was also an outstanding boxer, as well as a master showman.

As a boxer I would I would say that Muhammed Ali was the greatest showman of all time.

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Muhammed Ali shoot his mouth off like he did to build the gate, and to drawn attention to himself and it worked, he did draw money, crowds and attention.

Muhummed had a gimmick and it worked for him, and he was also an outstanding boxer, as well as a master showman.

As a boxer I would I would say that Muhammed Ali was the greatest showman of all time.

JJC

Ali ran his mouth off more than I like, but he still is a great guy.
 

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If you mean out of the ring, Ali wasn't that smart. He dropped out of highschool to do boxing.
Just because you drop out of high school... doesn't mean that you're not smart:thumbsup:
 

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Just because you drop out of high school... doesn't mean that you're not smart.
Bill's right!

At least in the sense, it isn't smart for a kid to drop out and to not finish high school.

But I know what your saying, it doesn't mean the Muhummed wasn't smart, it just means he was foolish when he was a kid to have dropped out of high school.

But in Muhummed's case it didn't matter so much for he was able to get ahead by using his fists and to be a success in life as a fighter.

For him if it had not been for boxing, he may well would have ended up laboring in obscurity, and living in proverty the rest of his life.

When a kid drops out of high school he has limited himself to fewer options in being able to get ahead in life.

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Just because you drop out of high school... doesn't mean that you're not smart:thumbsup:
I know, but he admits that he sucked at school. He failed one of the tests that you had to take to be in the army. So did Frazier.
 

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bill is right, ali wasnt really "stupid" he was just an average student. his grades i believe were around a 75 average which is considered normal.

he did fail the army test, but when they lowered the standard he was able to go in, and thats when he refused.

i feel bad when i see ali, because he was such a great guy. although, in most ways he gave himself his condition by not getting out of boxing, and of course the legendary rope-a-dope, i dont think anyone deserves to have that condition where you cant speak correctly.

according to ali, however, he is happy with his condition, saying it is something that god wished for him to have it.

muhammad ali was a very kind man, he almost went broke giving his money away to people in need. if thats not one of the kindest ppl in the world i dunno who is
 

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Muhammad Ali

Great Boxer

Great Man

... at one stage he was considered probably the most famous person on the face of the planet... and he was the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time! :cool:
 

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Muhammad Ali

Great Boxer

Great Man

... at one stage he was considered probably the most famous person on the face of the planet... and he was the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time! :cool:
The last part is debatable, but the rest you are right about.
 

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The last part is debatable, but the rest you are right about.
You're always debating as to whether or not Ali was the greatest Heavyweight Boxer of all time! I like that... for you its either Holmes, Marciano, or Louis! RESPECT!!
 

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its quite obvious who would win with any of those guys... ali ni his prime out beats any heavyweight. of course, when he came back after his 3 year layoff, thats a different story in most cases.

such as i think marciano would have gotten beat pretty badly if they fought both in their primes, ali was just too fast and elusive. BUT.. after the 3 year layoff when ali wasnt as elusive and utilized rope-a-dope, i think marciano wouldnt have a problem beating ali.
 

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its quite obvious who would win with any of those guys... ali ni his prime out beats any heavyweight. of course, when he came back after his 3 year layoff, thats a different story in most cases.

such as i think marciano would have gotten beat pretty badly if they fought both in their primes, ali was just too fast and elusive. BUT.. after the 3 year layoff when ali wasnt as elusive and utilized rope-a-dope, i think marciano wouldnt have a problem beating ali.
When the computer fight was made between Ali and Marciano in the late 60's, they got footage from sparring between the 2 of them. Marciano knocked Ali down and gave him huge red welts. And that is after he is way past it.
 

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When the computer fight was made between Ali and Marciano in the late 60's, they got footage from sparring between the 2 of them. Marciano knocked Ali down and gave him huge red welts. And that is after he is way past it.

Bill, I told you many times, that was to build the interest up in the bout. Even the family of Rocky knows that.

Here's all you need to know about computer fights. In September of 1970, they used the same computer that produced the Marciano-Ali fight to pick the winner of the Joe Frazier vs. Bob Foster heavyweight title fight in November of 1970. The computer picked Foster to stop Frazier in the sixth round. Since Frazier knocked Foster out in the second round, the computer could not have been more wrong. In fact, Frazier hit Foster so hard that he injured his ankle while he was going down.

If Rocky did do what you have stated, then why do almost all the Top Boxing Historians rate Ali over Rocky?

Here's an interesting article:

Objectively Weighing In on Marciano vs. Ali
 

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Bill, I told you many times, that was to build the interest up in the bout. Even the family of Rocky knows that.

Here's all you need to know about computer fights. In September of 1970, they used the same computer that produced the Marciano-Ali fight to pick the winner of the Joe Frazier vs. Bob Foster heavyweight title fight in November of 1970. The computer picked Foster to stop Frazier in the sixth round. Since Frazier knocked Foster out in the second round, the computer could not have been more wrong. In fact, Frazier hit Foster so hard that he injured his ankle while he was going down.

If Rocky did do what you have stated, then why do almost all the Top Boxing Historians rate Ali over Rocky?

Here's an interesting article:

Objectively Weighing In on Marciano vs. Ali
But TWICE a compter picked Marciano to beat Ali. I rate Ali over Marciano by 1 spot, but that doesn't mean I think Ali would win in a fight.
 

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But TWICE a compter picked Marciano to beat Ali. I rate Ali over Marciano by 1 spot, but that doesn't mean I think Ali would win in a fight.
BUT Ali would have beaten Rocky when both were in their primes.

They had a radio Computer show on and Rocky beat Dempsey in the finals and Ali lost to Jeffries. This was one of the main reasons why Ali and Rocky fought each other on another Computer.

Like I have stated many times, a computer is only as good as what you put into it, and they didn't have any idea about how GREAT Ali's chin was in either of these Computer bouts.
 
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