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I think Mayweather is a great fighter. But I'm not a fan of him. I want to see him fight him Cotto. And kind of agree with a lot of his critics that Mayweather is to blame for the fight not happening. This article kind of makes me see things a little different.


MAYWEATHER-ARUM: BUSINESS VERY PERSONAL
By Michael Herron

In the world of boxing, styles make fights, dollars make sense, and business is never personal. Well maybe the first two statements are true but as for the latter, it appears that promoters and fighters have made business more personal than ever. How often do we read the latest headlines and learn that Golden Boy Promotions wont work with Top Rank, or Don King won’t work with Bob Arum, or Mayweather Promotions refuses to do business with DKP and Top Rank etc…Are these simply business decisions gone wrong, or are there indeed some very personal issues preventing desirable match-ups from happening? What is apparent is that these disputes seem to be heightened when it comes to Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Bob Arum.

Fortunately for boxing fans, Oscar De La Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions and Bob Arum’s Top Rank Promotions have “momentarily” settled their differences. As a result, great match-ups like Cotto vs. Mosley, Pacquiao vs. Barrera II, and Pacquiao vs. Marquez II have already taken place. The disputes between De La Hoya and his former promoter seem to have finally been cleared away; the question that remains, however, is can Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Bob Arum make a similar agreement and give the fans the fights they want to see? A lawsuit is now pending in Nevada.

Arum’s recent comments at the Cotto/Gomez post-fight presser suggests that there is no progress being made between the two. His tirade included negative remarks such as, “Mayweather was a great fighter but is not a fighter anymore" Arum also said Mayweather didn’t deserve to be fighter of the year in 2007, that the media encourages his bad behavior like when he throws money at strangers in clubs and yelling F-Bombs. Arum also asserted that “Mayweather is not good for the sport and after seeing Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto tonight, that he (out of fear) has probably taken a ticket to Mars.” In one aspect, Arum is simply promoting his two fighters and hyping their upcoming bout, but in another, he is clearly launching a smear campaign against Mayweather. These types of remarks do not bode well for future business and contractual agreements between their companies. In short, the comments were disrespectful and are guaranteed to set a potential Mayweather vs. Cotto fight back a few years, or even worse, prevent it from happening at all

The source of the dispute stems from Mayweather’s time as a Top Rank fighter. It is also no secret that Mayweather advisor Al Haymon is not on good terms with Arum from past deals. Tim Smith from the Daily News chronicles the initial fallout, Mayweather's contractual buyout, and lawsuits filed between the two camps. Some of the finer points include:

Mayweather claims that Arum shortchanged him on matches against Arturo Gatti in 2005 and Zab Judah in 2006. In the lawsuit, Mayweather said he was due 85% of Top Rank's revenue from the Gatti fight and 80% from the Judah fight. He claims Arum has refused to turn over the records for accounting.

"There's no question we owe him some money," Arum said. "There's no dispute there. But he owes us a lot of money, and the people he's involved with owe us even more. After 98% of the money we owed him was paid, we stopped paying him for a reason.

"We're owed... in the millions. We welcome this lawsuit. We wanted it to be filed. We have counterclaims and cross claims against certain other individuals involved with Mayweather.”

Arum and Mayweather parted ways in 2006 after Mayweather paid $750,000 to buy out his contract. That was triggered by Arum's refusal to guarantee Mayweather $20 million to fight Oscar De La Hoya, another Top Rank client, who successfully sued Arum to get out of his contract in 2001.

Mayweather believes that Arum stymied his career during the time that he was promoting both Mayweather and De La Hoya (from 1996-2001).

With the facts laid out so well, it is unnecessary to embellish the data. It is evident their dispute rages as a result of unresolved legal issues; money that is owed, fights that weren’t made, and respect that has been lost. Despite Arum’s attempt to sway public opinion, the data clearly disproves his claim that Mayweather is somehow “fearful” and is “ducking” Miguel Cotto. If anything, Mayweather is asserting his independence and is showing confidence in his newly acquired ability to do business with his interest, not Top Rank’s in mind.

As part of his smear campaign against Floyd, Arum often states that “Mayweather does not want to fight Cotto,” but he never quite confirms that “Cotto wants to fight Mayweather.” A better question would be does Arum truly want Mayweather to fight Cotto? If so, why hasn’t he made Floyd and offer? The 8 million dollar offer to fight Antonio Margarito in 2006 is well documented but where are the 10-20 million dollar proposals to fight Cotto? Could it be that Arum realizes the match-up is a potential lose-lose situation for Top Rank? Is the risk worth the reward? Mayweather will certainly gear all the pre-fight negotiations in his favor--from the money split, to the size of the ring, gloves, weight, location, etc...Also, it’s expected that Mayweather will not give Arum any options on future fights. Finally, if Cotto is soundly defeated, Top Rank loses their top prospect. His unblemished record will be gone, his aura of invincibility gone, and depending on how badly he is defeated, his market value will depreciate.

Knowing that he won’t get the upper hand at the negotiation table, Arum has resulted to insulting, criticizing, and feeding the fans “fearful” nonsense about Mayweather. It should be noted that he utilized these same tactics when De La Hoya left him in 2001. The role reversals have obviously been chipping away at his ego. According to Mayweather’s advisor Leonard Ellerbe, Arum’s “a bitter old man because Floyd outsmarted him,” the evidence suggest that this may be true. So as the flame war continues, it appears this very personal business battle will rage on indefinitely. It took Golden Boy Promotions and Top Rank years to work together and it may likewise be the same with Mayweather Promotions. What is unmistakable however is that De La Hoya left Arum and has thrived, Mayweather left Arum and has thrived; would it be ironic if Cotto ultimately did the same? “The world awaits.”
 

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Great article Rotten. Mayweather-Cotto will be the most lucritive fight to be made in 2009, so I think they will put everything aside and make it happen.
 

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Great article Rotten. Mayweather-Cotto will be the most lucritive fight to be made in 2009, so I think they will put everything aside and make it happen.
What got me thinking is that why hasn't Arum made an offer to Mayweather to fight Cotto like he did with Margarito?
 

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To be honest I don't think he wants Cotto to fight Floyd. Like the writer of the article mentioned if Cotto loses Arum and Cotto both lose out on a lot of potential money. I just think that the hype for this fight as well as the demand will, in the end, trump everything else.
 

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The same way its argueable Mayweather might not want any part of Cotto, it could be argued that Top Rank doesnt want him... If this fight is made and become as big as its supposed to be, none will lose their opportunity to make money after it...Cotto is already a puerto-rican star, pbf has a made a big name ofr himself...I dont know, honestly I have a feeling this guy is a little too money for my taste..
 

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This fight needs to happen.
 

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Now!!!!! :D
 

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What got me thinking is that why hasn't Arum made an offer to Mayweather to fight Cotto like he did with Margarito?
i've been asking that question for a while now, and still haven't heard a credible answer.

To be honest I don't think he wants Cotto to fight Floyd. Like the writer of the article mentioned if Cotto loses Arum and Cotto both lose out on a lot of potential money. I just think that the hype for this fight as well as the demand will, in the end, trump everything else.
i don't think he doesn't want cotto fighting mayweather. it's all about money owed and money shorted as far as mayweather and arum are concerned. i hope they can put aside their beef and make this fight asap. chances are that ain't happening no time soon:(
 

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i've been asking that question for a while now, and still haven't heard a credible answer.

i don't think he doesn't want cotto fighting mayweather. it's all about money owed and money shorted as far as mayweather and arum are concerned. i hope they can put aside their beef and make this fight asap. chances are that ain't happening no time soon:(
Ive answered that question many times Mark. Cotto is number 2 and has a right to the fight.
 

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Ive answered that question many times Mark. Cotto is number 2 and has a right to the fight.
then why hasn't he exercised his "right" to the fight in a public forum, tommy? and, don't come back with that "if he wants me i'm hear" crap he said. hearing these ridiculous ducking claims is so god damn tired, especially when tr haven't offered jack$hit.
 

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then why hasn't he exercised his "right" to the fight in a public forum, tommy? and, don't come back with that "if he wants me i'm hear" crap he said. hearing these ridiculous ducking claims is so god damn tired, especially when tr haven't offered jack$hit.
What you need to be asking is why your boy is making fights with a 154 guy and a 140 guy when the guy at #2 has already said he'd fight anyone.

Money offers like made to pbf from Arum are irleivant in this scenario too. Mayweather holds the cards and the fight will be negoiated on his terms. How can Arumn make him an offer to fight if that is the case? You should know this.
 

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What you need to be asking is why your boy is making fights with a 154 guy and a 140 guy when the guy at #2 has already said he'd fight anyone.
Money offers like made to pbf from Arum are irleivant in this scenario too. Mayweather holds the cards and the fight will be negoiated on his terms. How can Arumn make him an offer to fight if that is the case? You should know this.
no need for me to ask that being i already know it. they were both bigger financially. what you need to come to terms with is that number 1 doesn't challenge number 2. it's never been that way, but i guess being it's mayweather he needs to do the challenging:rolleyes:

so, because mayweather is holding all the cards is the reason why this fight is not getting made? that's the reason why arum hasn't put anything on the table? then arum should stfu, and keep making money on cotto while he still has him. arum is the one holding this fight up because he's too damn prideful. like i've said before pride makes people do some dumb$hit, and arum not negotiating because mayweather's in the driver seat shows he doesn't give a damn about the fight game moreso than the fighter you love to hate.

cotto needs to dump that idiot, and he'll be better off just like floyd and oscar.
 

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no need for me to ask that being i already know it. they were both bigger financially. what you need to come to terms with is that number 1 doesn't challenge number 2. it's never been that way, but i guess being it's mayweather he needs to do the challenging:rolleyes:

so, because mayweather is holding all the cards is the reason why this fight is not getting made? that's the reason why arum hasn't put anything on the table? then arum should stfu, and keep making money on cotto while he still has him. arum is the one holding this fight up because he's too damn prideful. like i've said before pride makes people do some dumb$hit, and arum not negotiating because mayweather's in the driver seat shows he doesn't give a damn about the fight game moreso than the fighter you love to hate.

cotto needs to dump that idiot, and he'll be better off just like floyd and oscar.

Arum cant put anything on the table. :laugh:

Do you seriously think Mayweather promotions wont be co-promoting this fight?

What will happen here is Arum and Floyd will sit down with HBO and they will all work out what percentage they all get.

Cotto doesn't call fighters out, he never has, his team make his fights. Arum has been vocal in asking for Mayweather to fight him. They want the fight they have said so.

Mayweathers reply was Cotto dont sell. BS!!!
 

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If Arum was so scared of a fighter of him like Cotto losing, why the hell would he match Cotto with Margarito?
Arum wants Cotto vs pbf badly, the $$$$ in that fight would be huge.
 

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Arum cant put anything on the table. :laugh:

Do you seriously think Mayweather promotions wont be co-promoting this fight?

What will happen here is Arum and Floyd will sit down with HBO and they will all work out what percentage they all get.

Cotto doesn't call fighters out, he never has, his team make his fights. Arum has been vocal in asking for Mayweather to fight him. They want the fight they have said so.

Mayweathers reply was Cotto dont sell. BS!!!
uuuggggghhhhhhh! fine mayweather's ducking cotto, tommy. you win.:rolleyes:

If Arum was so scared of a fighter of him like Cotto losing, why the hell would he match Cotto with Margarito?
hmmmmmm. possibly because he'll reap the benefits regardless of who wins?

Arum wants Cotto vs pbf badly, the $$$$ in that fight would be huge.
of course he does. the problem is floyd's not trying to get shorted any cash like arum did previously. pride(mostly on arum' part imo) is what's holding this fight up......along with money.
 

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No doubt the money might be huge..And I dont think Arum is protecting Cotto at all, Margarito is very dangerous..

It would be crazy to for anyone to say Cotto has been protected. His resume at 140 and 147 is better than Floyds. Cotto is one of the most unprotected fighters in the game.

140 career notable wins for Cotto
Maussa
Lovemore
Bailey
Corley
Torres
Malignaggi

147 notable wins for Cotto
Quintana
Zab
Mosley

140 notable wins Mayweather
Corley
Gatti

147 notable wins Mayweather
Judah
Baldomir
Sharmba*
Hatton*


* Both were career 140 fighters.
 
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