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LAS VEGAS -- Joshua Clottey promised that he would beat Zab Judah, and in doing so, would punish Judah to the point that he'd cry.

Two out of three ain't bad.

Clottey battered Judah, busted his nose and sliced open his eye, and won a ninth-round technical decision to take home the vacant IBF welterweight crown at the Palms casino on Saturday.

Clottey did not make Judah cry, though. As a matter of fact, if there was any sorrow after the fight it was on the part of Clottey, who could not cleanly put away Judah, a two-time world champion from Brooklyn, N.Y.

With his gutsy performance against Clottey, Judah (36-6, 25 KOs) remains a credible threat in the welterweight division. And because Clottey sustained a torn bicep in the fifth round of the fight, he might get leap-frogged by Judah in a possible match against Antonio Margarito on Nov. 1 if Clottey isn't healed well enough to take the date.

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Judah, right, gave a good account of himself in a losing effort against Clottey.
Clottey (35-2, 20 KOs) campaigned after the fight for a TKO victory instead of a technical decision.

"The cut was caused by a punch and not a head butt," Clottey said. "There was no head butt. I'm sure of that."

Under the unified rules of the Association of Boxing Commissions, the fight goes to the scorecards if there is an accidental foul after four rounds. Referee Robert Byrd ruled that the cut over Judah's right eyelid was caused by an accidental head butt. Dr. James Gane, the ringside physician, said Judah told him that he couldn't see and Judah then failed three separate eye exams that Gane administered on the ring apron at 1:22 of the ninth round.

"Whether it was from a punch or a head butt, it didn't matter," Gane said. "The bottom line is that he [Judah] said he couldn't see."

Clottey had fought the kind of rugged fight that he said he would. The only time he seemed deficient was when Judah kept him in the middle of the ring and boxed. Even then, Judah was merely scoring points and could do nothing to dent Clottey's defense or dissuade him from coming forward. Clottey's right hand found a permanent home on Judah's face and Clottey also found a resting place for his uppercut. Those two weapons made Judah's face a bloody mask after the fourth round.

Judah was having a difficult time breathing and, at one point, looked as though he was going to be only a matter of time before Clottey stopped him. But then the cut opened up and the fight was stopped and it went to the judges' score cards.

Judge Duane Ford scored it 87-84, while judges George Hill and Glenn Trowbridge each scored it 86-85, all for Clottey. Had Hill and Trowbridge scored the last round for Judah, the fight would have been a draw.

That is enough wiggle room for a cat with nine lives named "Lucky Lefty" -- the nickname that Judah gave himself last week to describe his ability to come back from seemingly devastating losses (Kostya Tszyu, Cory Spinks, Carlos Baldomir, Miguel Cotto and Floyd Mayweather).

Now count Clottey as lucky No. 6 on that list of unfortunate fortuitous losses for Judah.

"The whole arena thought I won the fight," Judah said.

Win or lose, it's all the same to Judah -- who still might find himself on the other end of the line when Margarito comes calling for his next opponent.

Tim Smith is the boxing columnist for the New York Daily News.
 

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Margarito better not fight Zab's lame ass. I'll be pissed if this fight comes off. This is one fight where you can literally bet the house, ranch, car, and children on a guy and not lose a second of sleep over it.

Hey C.J. don't you think Zab deserves this title shot against Margarito based on how he's always acted like such a gentleman?
 

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Judah can't complain about his luck, he might get another title shot. However in this one, he better not take it. Everybody knows it would be a schedluled human demolition.
 

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Yeah, the day Judah beats Margarito or even lasts ten rounds with him pigs will be flying all over the place and hell will be frozen over solid.
 

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Margarito better not fight Zab's lame ass. I'll be pissed if this fight comes off. This is one fight where you can literally bet the house, ranch, car, and children on a guy and not lose a second of sleep over it.

Hey C.J. don't you think Zab deserves this title shot against Margarito based on how he's always acted like such a gentleman?
Clottey beat Judah clearly and if he had a torn bicep he didnt show it.
No I dont think Judah should be boxing at all, although give him his due he gave a better showing than i thought he would
 

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Clottey wants Margarito, so if he says he has a torn bicep I believe him. Zab needs to go dominate 140.
 
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Clottey wants Margarito, so if he says he has a torn bicep I believe him. Zab needs to go dominate 140.
tbh shane, zab aint going to dominate **** no more. sad as it is, but i dont give him a great chance with the top guys at 140 either. hes been through the ringer with some fighters and is on a serious slide. time to start looking at hanging up the gloves imo. hes a waste of talent and despie his obvious talents and god given skill in the ring, he was never the fighter he could of been.against floyd he looked like he belonged there for a few rounds. he fails to deliver when he has his chance. i dont have much time for zab no more, which is a shame.
 

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tbh shane, zab aint going to dominate **** no more. sad as it is, but i dont give him a great chance with the top guys at 140 either. hes been through the ringer with some fighters and is on a serious slide. time to start looking at hanging up the gloves imo. hes a waste of talent and despie his obvious talents and god given skill in the ring, he was never the fighter he could of been.against floyd he looked like he belonged there for a few rounds. he fails to deliver when he has his chance. i dont have much time for zab no more, which is a shame.
In my opinion Zab beats Hatton, Malignaggi, and Bradley at 140 easily. Zab loses to guys who can hurt him and frustrate the hell out of him. Hatton could maybe hurt him, but Zab would stop him before he had the chance.
 
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In my opinion Zab beats Hatton, Malignaggi, and Bradley at 140 easily.
imo and going by how quick you are to write hatton off as finished, zab sadly has gone down the same path imo. neither are the same fighters anymore. zab has all the taalent in the world, just doesnt use it.
 

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imo and going by how quick you are to write hatton off as finished, zab sadly has gone down the same path imo. neither are the same fighters anymore. zab has all the taalent in the world, just doesnt use it.
I'm not writing Hatton off. I just think he loses to anyone who can punch. Lazcano sucks and he had Hatton in la la land more than once. Zab is 10X the fighter Lazcano is.

Also, I can't stand Zab. I picked Clottey to maul him. I think Zab loses to the top 6 guys at welterweight 10 times out of 10, but 140 is extremely weak.
 
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I'm not writing Hatton off. I just think he loses to anyone who can punch. Lazcano sucks and he had Hatton in la la land more than once. Zab is 10X the fighter Lazcano is.

Also, I can't stand Zab. I picked Clottey to maul him. I think Zab loses to the top 6 guys at welterweight 10 times out of 10, but 140 is extremely weak.
shane i dont disagree about zab and lazcano. however i just think zab has been beaten alot and taken alot of damage, alot like hatton. i just dont think zabs heart is in it anymore and will never be the fighter he could of been, all fighters get old i think zab is going the same way hatton is.:thumbsup:
 

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well guys i know its gonna break your hearts but I'm gonna be awol from the forum for a few days. My dear wife has to attend a seminar in Baltimore next week I'm going along for the ride
 

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my first time in the city anyone know of any boxing gyms there I could haunt ??
 

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I would love to see Malignaggi and Judah in the ring, Judah's not knocking Malignaggi out, that's for sure, so it'll be a very good fight.

Hatton, I don't know, it'll be a very good brawl, don't know who'll win that one either.
 

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I would love to see Malignaggi and Judah in the ring, Judah's not knocking Malignaggi out, that's for sure, so it'll be a very good fight.

Hatton, I don't know, it'll be a very good brawl, don't know who'll win that one either.
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I agree that Zab would dominate 140, not because I think Zab is that special, but rather because the division is weak as hell. Look at it: a clearly past-his-prime Hatton, Malignaggi and his shitty hair, lack of power, and fragile hands, and Timothy Bradley. That's the top of your division. Judah could clean that up until Pacquiao or somebody else was ready to come get him.
 

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imo and going by how quick you are to write hatton off as finished, zab sadly has gone down the same path imo. neither are the same fighters anymore. zab has all the taalent in the world, just doesnt use it.
He did try to use it but something in his brain ain't clicking anymore, when and if the time comes for the heart to kick in, is not there any more, so he bails any way he can....

shane i dont disagree about zab and lazcano. however i just think zab has been beaten alot and taken alot of damage, alot like hatton. i just dont think zabs heart is in it anymore and will never be the fighter he could of been, all fighters get old i think zab is going the same way hatton is.:thumbsup:
Very true his time came and went, he's hanging on by ****'s hair, his old man should show some dignity and avice him to retire before he get's hurt......

my first time in the city anyone know of any boxing gyms there I could haunt ??
No but be careful, I hear that city is got more dope fiends than citizens, don't go staying at no cheap motels...
 
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