RockyLegacy said:Is this where I post it just for that?:thumbsup:
Nope. Its been proven. Marciano's "Suzie Q" was proven to have more force behind it than an armor peircing bullet, and had enough force to spot lift 1000lbs 12 inches off the ground. That was ion the mid 60's, so Marciano was out of shape and didn't hit as hard as he did in his prime. Also, Ali didn't have near enough power to knock down Marciano, let alone knock him out. Marciano was only knocked down twice in his career, one of which was a flash knockdown. He was never been in serious trouble, and had an incredible work rate. In Ali's prime, and in Marciano's prime, Ali only had a 15-20lb weight advantage, not 40. In Ali's first fight he weighed in at 186. Thats Marciano's peak weight. Accuracy has nothing to do with power. Marciano broke blood vesclees in Roland LaStarza's arms. LaStarza literaly couldn't pick his arms up for days. Marciano has a long line of KO's on his record, Ali has a medium line of TKO's. Why would Ali let Marciano pound and injure him? Ali had pride too you know. Not once, but TWICE a computer picked Marciano over Ali. Marciano proved it in sparring.tysonjones said:yeah, as much as i want to believe they really spared and marciano destroyed ali's body, i dont believe it, if it did happen, ali let him do it just for the sake of it. As for a real fight, prime vs prime, the ali that beat cleveland williams would of ko'ed rocky marciano, knocking him down several times, the marciano that knocked out walcott in their second fight, would of possibly beat ali, but overal i would go with ali. Faster, had a good 40 pound edge so even though this is out there, im sure ali hit close to as hard as marciano did, especially since ali threw punches with much more velocity and accuracy. Ali UD.
You are completely underrating Marciano's power. Foreman clubbed you down with a lot of punches till you couldn't get up. Marciano knocked you out cold with one punch in either hand. Did Foreman hit harder? Yes. Did he hit a lot harder? No. Ali wanted to quit against Liston in their first fight, and the 2nd one was arguably a set up.tysonjones said:foreman hit much harder than marciano, i doubt any knocked prime ali out, hell it took oen of the best heavyweights ever to finally get him to quit after he was way way awy past his prime and was already very much into his disease.
No heavyweight was ever in as good as shape as Marciano. No heavyweight other than Frazier had the workrate as Marciano, and Marciano threw soooooooo many more haymakers than Frazier. I would say 40% of Marciano's punches were haymakers. Marciano IMO would have beaten Holmes, Lewis, and Bowe. Lewis was KO'd by a right hand twice. What was Marciano's best punch? His "Suzie Q" AKA his over hand right haymaker.tommygunn said:damn bill, you left me off the list to, me and yourselfs probably had more ding dongs about the classics than anyone.
i think ali would probably have won nearly every round against rocky, im a marciano fan but sport evolves and the heavys just got bigger after rocky left.
IMO rocky would have lost to big guys like holmes lewis and bowe to, he just wasn't big enough to beat these guys.
if he fought today though he'd be the best cruiserweight by a mile though.
yeah bill marciano had freakish power but as i said sport evolves and the guys just got bigger, stronger and hit harder.bill1234 said:No heavyweight was ever in as good as shape as Marciano. No heavyweight other than Frazier had the workrate as Marciano, and Marciano threw soooooooo many more haymakers than Frazier. I would say 40% of Marciano's punches were haymakers. Marciano IMO would have beaten Holmes, Lewis, and Bowe. Lewis was KO'd by a right hand twice. What was Marciano's best punch? His "Suzie Q" AKA his over hand right haymaker.
Not really. Not to many people hit harder or are stronger than Marciano. Jerry Jackson weighed 254,Johnny Schkor weighed 220, Carmen Vingo was 6'4, Ezzard Charles was 6', Louis was 213.5 and 6'2, Walcott was 6', LaStarza was 6', Lee Savold was 6', the average weight for Marciano's opponents was 181.06, without the out liers it is 186.6. Also, if the people today trained as hard as Marciano did, then they wouldn't weigh 230-250, they would be in the low 200's.tommygunn said:yeah bill marciano had freakish power but as i said sport evolves and the guys just got bigger, stronger and hit harder.