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After taking a look at Antonio Margarito's recent statements with respect to a welterweight unification bout with Paul Williams, BoxingScene.com was contacted by Williams' manager/trainer George Peterson, who wanted nothing more than to clear the air.

(To read what Margarito and co-manager Sergio Diaz had to say on the subject, including a lot of background information on Margarito's history with Oscar De La Hoya, click on Margarito Swings Back at De La Hoya, Answers Williams - Boxing News.)

Margarito, and co-manager Sergio Diaz, recently told BoxingScene that after Williams won a unanimous decision over Margarito in July of 2007, Williams turned down their immediate rematch request and they were forced to petition the WBO to place Margarito in mandatory position. I was provided with a copy of the petition letter that was sent to the WBO after Margarito's defeat.

According to Diaz, the WBO turned down their request for an immediate rematch and gave Williams permission to make an optional defense before such a rematch could take place. Margarito says that he waited on the sidelines for months and was forced to take a keep-busy fight against Golden Johnson last November because Williams did not return to the ring until February of this year. Because Margarito feels that he was forced to wait, he now wants to make Williams wait.

Peterson disputes what Margarito and Diaz had to say about last year's events, telling BoxingScene that it was Margarito and his team who turned down an immediate rematch, but he doesn't want to argue about what happened in the past, he wants to focus on making the rematch in the present.

"Who cares who turned down who, or who made who wait - we are ready to fight right now. Rick, we don't want to do this on the internet. They want to do this on the internet. Paul just wants to spank that butt," Peterson said. "If there was one more round in the first fight, Paul would have knocked him out. Paul offered him a rematch and every time Paul fights he asks for Margarito again. We've been asking for Margarito for three-and-a-half years. Margarito never mentions Paul Williams. All he has to do is call Paul's name. He never does that. He avoids that. Paul asks for him all the time. Paul is asking for him right now. "

The history between Margarito and Williams dates back to their infamous sparring sessions from a few years ago. Both fighters have completely different versions of what actually happened, but the gym history was the fuel behind the hype for the first fight. Peterson maintains that Williams was brought in to spar with Margarito for a month, but due to his man-handling of Margarito, he was paid in full and sent home after a week.

"Sergio and [co-manager] Francisco [Espinoza] are great people. They treated us well. Paul was touching him every single day. He couldn't do nothing with Paul. Only one day he was able to touch Paul. They paid him and sent him home after a week because he was beating Margarito up," Peterson said. "They know they can't do anything with Paul Williams and his management knows that too. Why do you think it took so long for the fight to get made the first time? They tried everything to get out of it. Paul was asking for him when nobody under the sun was asking for him. They said he was the most feared welterweight in the world and Paul beat him decisively."

As of late, Margarito has been on a "Golden" hunt, stating his case on why he should land the fight with Oscar De La Hoya on December 6 in Las Vegas. Peterson says Margarito should move on because De La Hoya will never fight him. And, he says Margarito's status at the weight has been built on the shoulders of "eight-round" fighters, which is why he believes that Williams will always give him trouble. Peterson doesn't feel Margarito is able to beat a fighter who can box and doesn't get tired.

"Oscar will never fight him. He needs to get over. It will never happen. Let Oscar go and fight Golden Johnson again. When it comes to a competitive fight, he ain’t going to fight. Paul Williams is a twelve-round fighter. He made Margarito do something that nobody else made him do - back up. Paul ain't no eight-round fighter like [Miguel] Cotto. Cotto is an eight-round fighter. He was fading at the end of the fight with Mosley. But, Cotto was winning the fight with Margarito when he boxed. He was winning until he ran out of gas, and so was [Joshua] Clottey until he got hurt," Peterson said.

"That's what makes him look so dynamic. He fights eight-round fighters and it makes him look like he brings all this pressure. He said he lost the fight with Paul because he started slow, well he started slower with Cotto than he did with Paul. The man is naturally slow. He is slow because he wants to clob people with that wide stance. We wants to put a spanking on him so bad."

A few weeks ago, Williams and his team actually traveled out to Margarito's backyard of California to push for a rematch by holding a press conference event with members of the media. Williams' promoter Dan Goossen offered Margarito a guarantee of $4 million dollars for the rematch, more money than Margarito has made for any of his previous fights.

"Why do you think we went to California? Paul wants to knock him out and his team knows that Paul will knock him out. Margarito has five losses, he's one loss away from being an opponent. One more loss and he's out of the boxing game. He can't take another loss. Paul spanked his butt the first time in the gym, he spanked his butt the second time in the ring and this will be his third whipping," Peterson said.

If Margarito is not able to lure Oscar to the dance, and there is almost no chance of that, he will probably face Clottey in a rematch on November 1. Williams, unless he is able to secure Margarito, will probably fight his mandatory, Michael Jennings. The bad blood between Williams' advisor Al Haymon, and Margarito's promoter Bob Arum, will make the negotiations process very difficult. As they say in the sport of boxing - money fixes everything.

 

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By Rick Reeno

Promoter Dan Goossen contacted BoxingScene.com this morning to provide additional details into last year's negotiations for a rematch between Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams [promoted by Goossen], and the reason why Williams sat out until February of this year.

If you want to read both sides of the story:

Antonio Margarito and co-manager Sergio Diaz - Margarito Swings Back at De La Hoya, Answers Williams - Boxing News
George Peterson, manager/trainer of Paul Williams - Team Paul Williams Attack Antonio Margarito's Claims - Boxing News

This is where it gets a little tricky.

After Williams won a decision over Margarito last July, one of the first people to call him out was then IBF champion Kermit Cintron. It wasn't long before Goossen and Main Events [Cintron's promoters at the time], began talks for a potential unification bout. Cintron was originally scheduled to appear on the September 8 undercard to Vargas-Mayorga, taking a tune-up bout before a tentative return on December 1 on Showtime.

After Vargas was diagnosed with anemia, the entire event was postponed until November 23. Cintron won a tougher than expected fight with Jesse Feliciano, injured his hand and pulled out from the agreed upon unification bout with Williams, scheduled for a February date on HBO.

According to Goossen, when he learned that Cintron had pulled out, he contacted Margarito's promoter Bob Arum, who told him that he was not interested in making the rematch. More than likely, Arum at that point was already laying out the plans for a 2008 mid-year showdown between Margarito and Miguel Cotto. Goossen tried to secure other big names, like Zab Judah and Shane Mosley, but Carlos Quintana was the only fighter who agreed to fight Williams.

"Paul wanted to unify the titles. Cintron suffered a hand injury so I reached out to Bob Arum to ask about Margarito and he said 'no.' Eventually it went over to a February date with Quintana, but Paul wanted Margarito. Nobody wanted to step in the ring with Paul, not Margarito, not Zab Judah, Cintron or Shane Mosley," Goossen said.

"We've offered him a lot of money, $4 million dollars guaranteed with an upside. His biggest purse was made with us, $1.6 million for the fight with Paul. He only made $1.5 against Cotto. We are offereing him $4 million and he's probably going to make a quarter of that for a fight with [Joshua] Clottey. They can spin it any way they want, but they are taking a few millions less to fight Clottey. The same with Cintron, he fought Margarito for a few hundred thousand and there was a million on the table to fight Paul."

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Dan Goossen Adds More Info on Margarito vs. Williams
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Promoter Dan Goossen contacted BoxingScene.com this morning to provide additional details into last year's negotiations for a rematch between Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams [promoted by Goossen], and the reason why Williams sat out until February of this year.

If you want to read both sides of the story:

Antonio Margarito and co-manager Sergio Diaz - Margarito Swings Back at De La Hoya, Answers Williams - Boxing News
George Peterson, manager/trainer of Paul Williams - Team Paul Williams Attack Antonio Margarito's Claims - Boxing News

This is where it gets a little tricky.

After Williams won a decision over Margarito last July, one of the first people to call him out was then IBF champion Kermit Cintron. It wasn't long before Goossen and Main Events [Cintron's promoters at the time], began talks for a potential unification bout. Cintron was originally scheduled to appear on the September 8 undercard to Vargas-Mayorga, taking a tune-up bout before a tentative return on December 1 on Showtime.

After Vargas was diagnosed with anemia, the entire event was postponed until November 23. Cintron won a tougher than expected fight with Jesse Feliciano, injured his hand and pulled out from the agreed upon unification bout with Williams, scheduled for a February date on HBO.

According to Goossen, when he learned that Cintron had pulled out, he contacted Margarito's promoter Bob Arum, who told him that he was not interested in making the rematch. More than likely, Arum at that point was already laying out the plans for a 2008 mid-year showdown between Margarito and Miguel Cotto. Goossen tried to secure other big names, like Zab Judah and Shane Mosley, but Carlos Quintana was the only fighter who agreed to fight Williams.

"Paul wanted to unify the titles. Cintron suffered a hand injury so I reached out to Bob Arum to ask about Margarito and he said 'no.' Eventually it went over to a February date with Quintana, but Paul wanted Margarito. Nobody wanted to step in the ring with Paul, not Margarito, not Zab Judah, Cintron or Shane Mosley," Goossen said.

"We've offered him a lot of money, $4 million dollars guaranteed with an upside. His biggest purse was made with us, $1.6 million for the fight with Paul. He only made $1.5 against Cotto. We are offereing him $4 million and he's probably going to make a quarter of that for a fight with [Joshua] Clottey. They can spin it any way they want, but they are taking a few millions less to fight Clottey. The same with Cintron, he fought Margarito for a few hundred thousand and there was a million on the table to fight Paul."

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Promoter Dan Goossen contacted BoxingScene.com this morning to provide additional details into last year's negotiations for a rematch between Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams [promoted by Goossen], and the reason why Williams sat out until February of this year.

If you want to read both sides of the story:

Antonio Margarito and co-manager Sergio Diaz - Margarito Swings Back at De La Hoya, Answers Williams - Boxing News
George Peterson, manager/trainer of Paul Williams - Team Paul Williams Attack Antonio Margarito's Claims - Boxing News

This is where it gets a little tricky.

After Williams won a decision over Margarito last July, one of the first people to call him out was then IBF champion Kermit Cintron. It wasn't long before Goossen and Main Events [Cintron's promoters at the time], began talks for a potential unification bout. Cintron was originally scheduled to appear on the September 8 undercard to Vargas-Mayorga, taking a tune-up bout before a tentative return on December 1 on Showtime.

After Vargas was diagnosed with anemia, the entire event was postponed until November 23. Cintron won a tougher than expected fight with Jesse Feliciano, injured his hand and pulled out from the agreed upon unification bout with Williams, scheduled for a February date on HBO.

According to Goossen, when he learned that Cintron had pulled out, he contacted Margarito's promoter Bob Arum, who told him that he was not interested in making the rematch. More than likely, Arum at that point was already laying out the plans for a 2008 mid-year showdown between Margarito and Miguel Cotto. Goossen tried to secure other big names, like Zab Judah and Shane Mosley, but Carlos Quintana was the only fighter who agreed to fight Williams.

"Paul wanted to unify the titles. Cintron suffered a hand injury so I reached out to Bob Arum to ask about Margarito and he said 'no.' Eventually it went over to a February date with Quintana, but Paul wanted Margarito. Nobody wanted to step in the ring with Paul, not Margarito, not Zab Judah, Cintron or Shane Mosley," Goossen said.

"We've offered him a lot of money, $4 million dollars guaranteed with an upside. His biggest purse was made with us, $1.6 million for the fight with Paul. He only made $1.5 against Cotto. We are offereing him $4 million and he's probably going to make a quarter of that for a fight with [Joshua] Clottey. They can spin it any way they want, but they are taking a few millions less to fight Clottey. The same with Cintron, he fought Margarito for a few hundred thousand and there was a million on the table to fight Paul."

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All that is coming out of this is blah, blah,blah. I don't want to argue about the past in one sentence then bytching like a little girl in the next. "one more round and Paul would have knocked him out". RIGHT! Paul was getting hit with bigger power shots the Margarito. This fight is going to happen again, it is just a matter of when. Margarito is not all of a sudden going to anounce his retirement.
 

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All that is coming out of this is blah, blah,blah. I don't want to argue about the past in one sentence then bytching like a little girl in the next. "one more round and Paul would have knocked him out". RIGHT! Paul was getting hit with bigger power shots the Margarito. This fight is going to happen again, it is just a matter of when. Margarito is not all of a sudden going to anounce his retirement.
yeap that's ecxatly what I got too much mumblejumbo.....
 
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This fight is going to happen, Williams needs to relax it's not like he's the one lost and can demand a rematch. Margarito is off the back of a superfight with Cotto, while Williams had a one round fight to bring his record with Quintana to 1-1. I still have a feeling DLH will eventually take this fight with Margarito if the Pacquaio deal has completely fallen through. Then after that I'm sure we'll see Margarito-Williams rematch.
 

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Doesn't matter what anybody says. Fact is there is unfinished between them 2. The fight needs to happen
 

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"Who cares who turned down who, or who made who wait - we are ready to fight right now. Rick, we don't want to do this on the internet. They want to do this on the internet. Paul just wants to spank that butt," Peterson said. "If there was one more round in the first fight, Paul would have knocked him out. Paul offered him a rematch and every time Paul fights he asks for Margarito again. We've been asking for Margarito for three-and-a-half years.
He starts off the worst way possible, with that said you can clearly tell that they made him wait for that rematch. The guy is contradictory in this whole article, "We don't want to do this on the internet, but listen to my rant real quick". Paul is lucky there wasnt one more round in that first fight or Paul would have been the one the was knocked out or gotten a draw or lossed on points.

Who had Paul beaten for those three and a half years of him "calling Margarito out" that told him he should get a shot at a title? Mater of fact, who had he beaten that earned him a shot when Margarito did give him a shot at the title? Walter Mathysse? A washed up and much smaller Sharmba Mitchell?
All that is coming out of this is blah, blah,blah. I don't want to argue about the past in one sentence then bytching like a little girl in the next. "one more round and Paul would have knocked him out". RIGHT! Paul was getting hit with bigger power shots the Margarito. This fight is going to happen again, it is just a matter of when. Margarito is not all of a sudden going to anounce his retirement.
LMAO, he's all contradiction, and no substance, Paul needs to think twice on who he lets speak on his behalf, Peterson's old ass needs to stfu.

Exactly my point, he is not only fighting 3 months after (which in todays fight game is a feat, in itself) one of his toughest fight where he took a ton of hard accurate head shots, he is fighting a guy (Clottey) that gave him one of his toughest fights to date, while that same guy is now a champion, for a unification. Williams will probably be the next fight, 4 or 5 months after the Clottey fight. The guy is actually fighting real welterweights in meaningful bouts where he has a very good chance of losing, the critics are hilarious.
 

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Spank that butt ? LOL no chance of "spankin that butt", maybe a close decicion, but he will have to run like he did in their last fight. Margarito will pressure him from the get go this time

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This fight is going to happen, Williams needs to relax it's not like he's the one lost and can demand a rematch. Margarito is off the back of a superfight with Cotto, while Williams had a one round fight to bring his record with Quintana to 1-1. I still have a feeling DLH will eventually take this fight with Margarito if the Pacquaio deal has completely fallen through. Then after that I'm sure we'll see Margarito-Williams rematch.
Ecxatly he needs to be pacient and not allow his people to alienate people who are crucial to making this fight happen..he should stay busy with a top ten guy ...

Doesn't matter what anybody says. Fact is there is unfinished between them 2. The fight needs to happen
And it will EVENTUALLY
Spank that butt ? LOL no chance of "spankin that butt", maybe a close decicion, but he will have to run like he did in their last fight. Margarito will pressure him from the get go this

Can't wait
This time Margarito knows he can't afford to fool around so he better be all business and catch this guy cold other wise forget it....
 
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I like Williams' enthusiasm for wanting to make this fight but he needs to be patient. It wasn't long ago he was wanting to fight Pavlik at MW and now he's hounding Margarito, what's up with that? If Margarito doesn't get the big payday with Oscar then a rematch might even happen this year.
 

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I like Williams' enthusiasm for wanting to make this fight but he needs to be patient. It wasn't long ago he was wanting to fight Pavlik at MW and now he's hounding Margarito, what's up with that? If Margarito doesn't get the big payday with Oscar then a rematch might even happen this year.
Ecxatly all he has to keep doing is winning, all the fights he wants will come to him, he just needs to STFU and stay busy
 

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He doesnt even have to keep winning to get a rematch, he can sit it out and not fight anyone and still it by early to mid 09 when he'll defintely get a shot.
 

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He doesnt even have to keep winning to get a rematch, he can sit it out and not fight anyone and still it by early to mid 09 when he'll defintely get a shot.
A guy like him only get's better by staying busy, inactivity is deadly to a guy like him, he needs to stay razor sharp, and lighting fast not grow rusty....
 

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Doesn't matter what anybody says. Fact is there is unfinished between them 2. The fight needs to happen
It would already be signed, but Margarito wants nothing to do with Paul Williams. I don't blame him.
He starts off the worst way possible, with that said you can clearly tell that they made him wait for that rematch. The guy is contradictory in this whole article, "We don't want to do this on the internet, but listen to my rant real quick". Paul is lucky there wasnt one more round in that first fight or Paul would have been the one the was knocked out or gotten a draw or lossed on points.

Who had Paul beaten for those three and a half years of him "calling Margarito out" that told him he should get a shot at a title? Mater of fact, who had he beaten that earned him a shot when Margarito did give him a shot at the title? Walter Mathysse? A washed up and much smaller Sharmba Mitchell?


LMAO, he's all contradiction, and no substance, Paul needs to think twice on who he lets speak on his behalf, Peterson's old ass needs to stfu.

Exactly my point, he is not only fighting 3 months after (which in todays fight game is a feat, in itself) one of his toughest fight where he took a ton of hard accurate head shots, he is fighting a guy (Clottey) that gave him one of his toughest fights to date, while that same guy is now a champion, for a unification. Williams will probably be the next fight, 4 or 5 months after the Clottey fight. The guy is actually fighting real welterweights in meaningful bouts where he has a very good chance of losing, the critics are hilarious.
Margarito's people were talking shitt about Williams. Of course they're going to respond. They didn't make the denied $4 million offer public until Margarito denied it. I don't blame them.

Also, where are you getting this information that Margarito is fighting Clottey? As far as I know no offers have even been made from either camp so far, and why would Margarito fight Clottey for less money than a fight with Williams who already beat him? Wouldn't Margarito want to go straight for Williams and semi-erase that first loss? I'd think so, but he is doing the opposite. I don't blame him.
 

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It would already be signed, but Margarito wants nothing to do with Paul Williams. I don't blame him.

Margarito's people were talking shitt about Williams. Of course they're going to respond. They didn't make the denied $4 million offer public until Margarito denied it. I don't blame them.

Also, where are you getting this information that Margarito is fighting Clottey? As far as I know no offers have even been made from either camp so far, and why would Margarito fight Clottey for less money than a fight with Williams who already beat him? Wouldn't Margarito want to go straight for Williams and semi-erase that first loss? I'd think so, but he is doing the opposite. I don't blame him.
That is funny as hell. That is exactly what everyone said the first time and what happened? He turned down his fight with a much bigger name in Cotto to fight him. It is not like he was completly dominated. Stop hating. The fight will happen. He wants DLH. He is holding out because it will be more then 4 million. After that it will more then likely be Williams. To me Williams still has unfinished business with Quintana?


This is rare, even though Williams won, Margarito is still in the drivers seat and Williams hates it.
 

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That is funny as hell. That is exactly what everyone said the first time and what happened? He turned down his fight with a much bigger name in Cotto to fight him. It is not like he was completly dominated. Stop hating. The fight will happen. He wants DLH. He is holding out because it will be more then 4 million. After that it will more then likely be Williams. To me Williams still has unfinished business with Quintana?


This is rare, even though Williams won, Margarito is still in the drivers seat and Williams hates it.
Wrong. There was no offer from Cotto to Margarito prior to the first fight with Williams. I'm not hating. I'm stating facts. Team Williams offered Margarito more than twice as much as he made fighting Cotto and he turned it down. If he lands the fight with Oscar I have NO problem with him not fighting Williams, but if he fights Clottey or Judah for less than $4 million it is clear that he doesn't want Paul.
 

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That is funny as hell. That is exactly what everyone said the first time and what happened? He turned down his fight with a much bigger name in Cotto to fight him. It is not like he was completly dominated. Stop hating. The fight will happen. He wants DLH. He is holding out because it will be more then 4 million. After that it will more then likely be Williams. To me Williams still has unfinished business with Quintana?


This is rare, even though Williams won, Margarito is still in the drivers seat and Williams hates it.
Goofy Goosen only has himself to blame. After their fight Margarito immediately asked for a rematch. Goosen's reply was " Weve beaten Margarito once why would we want to fight him again." Changed his mind now hasnt he lol. Margarito wants Oscar & big $$$$$$$$$ who can blame him Williams can join the line and wait
 
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