pavlik/taylor and miranda/abraham II..........

Abraham vs Sebastian Demers is May 26th. That idea sounds good Lance. We will have to wait and see what Taylor decides on.

Abraham is on TV over here next week. I hope we get to see Pavlik-Taylor, because that is a fight that will either get the best out of Taylor or show him up. Pavlik will come out fighting, if Taylor doesnt match him he will get KOd, if he steps and shows he has some passion for boxing he will be rated much higher.

i want to see AA fight the winner of taylor/pavlik if the fights made. i think AA beats both.

I don't. Tommy do you know if the Abraham fight is on over here?

PrettyBoyFloyd said:

I don't. Tommy do you know if the Abraham fight is on over here?

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id think it would be on stateside, AA is becoming a big name because of his undoubted skill.

AA doesn't get ko'd and is a master boxer puncer. he'd beat taylor easily IMO and i think he out boxes kelly pavlik.

I hope it is. Did you hear that his trainer is under legal scrutiny for not stoping him during the Miranda fight when his jaw was broken? I'm actually serious right now. He is up against some legal charge in Germany I think. All I can say is WTF?

PrettyBoyFloyd said:

I hope it is. Did you hear that his trainer is under legal scrutiny for not stoping him during the Miranda fight when his jaw was broken? I'm actually serious right now. He is up against some legal charge in Germany I think. All I can say is WTF?

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yeah i posted this a while back, theres basicly no case for them to answer though IMO, after all abraham won the damn fight, maybe if he lost you could question his corner but that would still be extreme.

are you kidding tommy, you rate miranda so low, but i thought miranda won 2 minutes and 30 seconds of every round against AA. AA is good and puts alot of pressure but miranda clearly beat him that night, The whole german commision that was at that fight between aa and miranda should be locked up, they stopped the fight for almost 10 minutes and took low blow points away that werent even low. That was a shame of a fight, although exciting, miranda would of been champion.

Tommy doesn't rate Miranda THAT low. He picked him over Pavlik.

lol everyone picked miranda, you only picked pavlik because everyone was picking miranda, you just got lucky haha.

No, no, no. I said that once jokingly. Read my posts about why I thought Pavlik would win. I have remained constant in saying that Miranda is overrated.

WTF are you 2 talking about?

i do rate miranda, the blows were clearly low against AA and he butted him blatently on 2 occasisons. 4 of the 5 points taking away from pantera were very fair, theres been fighters DQ'd for less than that (clottey v baldomir) pantera is like tyson when things go wrong, he resorts to rough house tactics. he done it in the green fight and he done it against pavlik to, did you guys miss the low blows in those fights?

tommygunn said:

WTF are you 2 talking about?

i do rate miranda, the blows were clearly low against AA and he butted him blatently on 2 occasisons. 4 of the 5 points taking away from pantera were very fair, theres been fighters DQ'd for less than that (clottey v baldomir) pantera is like tyson when things go wrong, he resorts to rough house tactics. he done it in the green fight and he done it against pavlik to, did you guys miss the low blows in those fights?

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You 2? I don't think I said anything dude. I caught every low blow and thought there should have been two more in the fight with Pavlik.

PrettyBoyFloyd said:

Tommy doesn't rate Miranda THAT low. He picked him over Pavlik.

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See I just said you picked him over Pavlik dude.:thumbsup:

I thought Miranda should have had a point took off for the low blows. Hell, maybe the ref thought it didnt matter cause he knew Pantera was gonna get torn a new asshole:laugh:

the way miranda throws his punches, if someone comes in or ducks low, the guy is going to get caught low, so many of those punches agaisnt aa where on the belt line, you could easily see aa faking it. It made me sick. If anythign i saw aa fight dirty. i saw miranda do nothing wrong against pavlik. im glad smogger was the ref, the fight was close overal until about the 6th round.

I had Pavlik winning 4 to 2 before the 7th. Plus the overall point differential was HUGE with the two knockdowns in the 6th.

Lance, I saw Miranda go low on Pavlik at least 4 times. It might not have been on purpose but those shots were low. My favorite thing about it was how Pavlik never once whined. In my opinion Kelly Pavlik seems to be one of those raw/rugged guys who is there to do one thing and one thing only. Win. He doesn't talk much, and when he does he gets straight to the point. I like him a lot.

i saw pavlik hit miranda low in the 2nd round, and the ref warned him and miranda didnt say a word, he just came back and retaliated, the way a real man should. I dont think they should ever call a low blow unless the guy shows significant damage, half the those guys fake, because i know it hurts less than getting hit in the body. I get hit low all the time without wearing a cup and i can usually keep fighting. I understand the power miranda has is much more than guys i compete against but pavlik is tough and so is miranda, i had the fight 3 rounds to 3 going into the seventh. but pavlik was ahead on points, thats a given.

Damn, I've been knocked too my knees with a lowblow. It took about 3 seconds for the pain to kick in though. The guy was DQ'd because it was intentional and he was about to get KO'd.