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This is a very close fight to call.I think Liston's reach of 84" could be the difference with his great left jab.Sonny would also be able to make George move backwards(Foreman said that Liston was the only fighter to ever make him move backwards,when they sparred in the late 1960's)
Liston also had a granite chin(Everybody knows he threw the 2nd fight with Muhammad Ali)and would be able to take Foreman's powerfull punches.Better than Foreman could take Sonny's powerfull punches once Foreman began to get tired.Liston had alot better stamina.I'm talking about his prime of 1959-1961.
Liston also had a granite chin(Everybody knows he threw the 2nd fight with Muhammad Ali)and would be able to take Foreman's powerfull punches.Better than Foreman could take Sonny's powerfull punches once Foreman began to get tired.Liston had alot better stamina.I'm talking about his prime of 1959-1961.
Foreman coudnt box but he won a Gold Medal at the Olympics, that must mean something.
Foreman had a 3 inch height advantage, I dont think Liston would be able to box him. If Ali couldnt really move around him Liston certainly wouldnt.
Foreman gets him and stops Liston inside of 9.
Foreman had a 3 inch height advantage, I dont think Liston would be able to box him. If Ali couldnt really move around him Liston certainly wouldnt.
Foreman gets him and stops Liston inside of 9.
Ali was far from prime against Foreman. He couldn't be bothered to dance for more than a round or two at that point. Bad example.
And Foreman winning a Gold Medal at the Olympics is no reflection on his boxing skills at all. It's nothing like the Olympics today. No head gear. Foreman won with KOs. And none of his opponents got name recognition in the pro game.
Prime Liston can't box him but an old ex Light Heavyweight Gregorio Peralta can? :laugh: PS: He did so by moving around him. :cop:
It says those who tried to box him in olympics couldnt box him. Liston was a decent boxer but no way he can box circles around Foreman for more than a few rounds.
Most likely he'd get dragged in a slugfest and put down;
Ali couldn't dance against Foreman because he had to fight him in a small 16 foot ring.Most championship fights are 20-24 feet.Plus the ring canvas was padded really soft,another reson Ali couldn't dance.Referee Zack Clayton said the canvas was padded softer than any ring he was ever in.
So that are the two reason's Ali couldn't and didn't dance against Foreman.
Foreman needs speed to drag him into a slug fest. He didn't have it. And if he did I'd still favor Liston to stop him. Since when has Foreman ever had to work his way inside? He definitely doesn't bomb Liston out from the outside. Liston is a far superior fighter in every way from a distance.
And back to Peralta. He boxed his ears off. I had it 6-4 Peralta. I wasn't particularly impressed with Gregorio's skills. I've seen Liston box better.
Oh come on.. Foreman didnt look great but he won that fight. I think I had it 6-4 Foreman or 6-3-1 . And You dont ever see anyone screaming robbery about that one..
And even so, Peralta wasnt winning with his movement.. He got outjabbet the whole contest. He had sucess when he leaded with his left hooks and held. And btw, Peralta was taller than 6-foot..
You're taking one of he step ups in competition in his career. Basically the first time he had to go hard 10 rounds. In the rematch we know how that ended (when Foreman was better prepared)...
Its like taking Liston's loss to light heavyweight Marty Marshall into account...
Prime Marty Marshall > Faded Peralta. Fight was clearly won by Peralta or a draw at best. I suggest you watch it again. And Foreman rarely pumped the damn jab, now I know you don't remember the fight. :laugh: Rematch was against an even more faded Peralta, so please. Also Liston's amateur experience was even less than Foreman's.
As for ppl not crying robbery in the first Peralta fight, that's cuz no one today has seen the damn fight. The crowd booed the decision violently. Foreman, US Olympic Gold Medalist, got booed in his own damn country against a Foreigner who hadn't been in the US since he was stopped by feather fisted Willie Pastrano 6 years ago. :facepalm:
The tv announcers were quite ok with that fight.. In fact they had foreman leading or "slightly ahead" by the end.
And maybe you should watch it again.. Foreman's jab was landing all night.
There was 1 commentator, the pitiful scoring Howard Cosell. He merely got updated as to how press row was scoring the fight, some of which had Peralta winning. And since you know the fight so well why don't you provide a round by round scorecard. Mine is below. As you can see, round 7 was his only notable round for jabbing.
Round 1: 10 – 9 Foreman
Foreman pounds the body in the opening round while Peralta feels him out.
*Round 2: 9 – 10 Peralta
Close round. Peralta won most of it while George landed the hardest punches. Peralta’s ability to make George miss and tie him up impressed me the most.
*Round 3: 9 – 10 Peralta
George does pretty well in the first minute of the round but is mostly beffudled after that.
Round 4: 9 – 10 Peralta
First half of the round was even. Second half was dominated by Peralta, who not only out boxed Foreman but also landed much better punches.
*Round 5: 10 – 9 Foreman
Pretty even round but George sealed it for me at the end by landing some big shots, 1 or 2 of which appeared to stun Peralta.
Round 6: 9 – 10 Peralta
Foreman flat out gets a boxing lesson this round. The only thing he did well was land the infrequent hook to the body, which has been his signature punch the entire fight.
Round 7: 10 – 9 Foreman
Foreman finally uses his jab effectively and consequently wins the round. Go figure. You’d think his trainer would have told him to concentrate on it earlier.
Round 8: 9 – 10 Peralta
This may be hard to believe, but George, who just discovered how to pump his jab in the last round, already forgot. As a result Peralta dominated the round with left hooks.
Round 9: 10 – 9 Foreman
I’d call this a dominant round for Foreman, but there’s a catch. He knew he was losing (or should have been) and was told it was the last round. So basically he put everything he had left into this round. Peralta may have staggered but he didn’t fall.
Round 10: 9 – 10 Peralta
Foreman was not happy about having to go out for one more round, especially considering Peralta was the one pressing the action down the stretch of the last round. A gassed George managed to land a few big shots in the middle of the final round, but other than that was pretty much dominated by Peralta.
Final Score: 4 – 6 Peralta (94 – 96)
Score Variances:
Scoring all the starred rounds to fighter 1: 6 – 4 Foreman
Scoring all the starred rounds even: 3 – 4 – 3 Peralta
Scoring all the starred rounds to fighter 2: 3 – 7 Peralta
Tough fight to call i think liston was a better boxer where as foreman hit a bit harder,
liston hada longer reach advantage where foreman had more heart.
either a stoppage win for foreman or a points win for sonny would had loved to see these two in the ring.
liston hada longer reach advantage where foreman had more heart.
either a stoppage win for foreman or a points win for sonny would had loved to see these two in the ring.
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