First off, you have many misconceptions about Muslims period. I'm not Muslim, but I know a little something something about them because unlike some I like to keep an open mind about different cultures and religions. First off, the Nation of Islam (NOI) and mainstream Islam are two different factions. To mainstream Muslims, the NOI aren't considered Muslim because they beleive that their race is the superior race (while mainstream Muslims views everyone as an equal), they have a different ideology about where their God comes from, and many other diffenent ideologies. So what Farrakhan says has nothing to do with Muslims. Second, you have to realize at that time that the life expectancy wasn't as high as it is now. Yeah some people live until they're 40s and 50s back then, but that was really old during those times. Plus girls at the ages of 11 and 12 were married back then and eventually had children soon after, that's another thing to keep in mind. Muslims are one of the most generous people on the planet, so I can't understand why you are so offended (I hope you were kidding about that). Just make sure you understand the religion before talking down on it :thumbsup:
This will be my last post on this cause i don't want to hijack the thread. If you would like to continue our banter, i would suggest a PM or a new thread.
Farakhan, being in the nation of ISLAM, is a muslim. Saying he isn't would be like saying Mormons aren't a type of christian. You can say that I have many misconceptions, but I don't. I can do my own reading, my own research and make up my own mind. You make assumptions about what you think i know of the subject because it doesn't agree with what you think you know. I'll leave that to you bro.
I keep an open mind, its how i got as far as i did in reading the koran. I mean, what did i say about context? Didn't i say you would use it? Isn't that what you did?
You don't think its pretty disgusting that you are saying 11 and 12 year olds were cool? They might be, but a 9 year old? seriously, you are gonna defend mohammed and a 9 year old? It's disgusting and that's just my view.
Just so you know, I wasn't offended. I was offended that you and your brother were offended.
You went out of your way to note that someone might be offended in a racial or religious manner, forgetting that a member of the nation of ISLAM, a type of muslim, has actually said that and did not worry himself if he was insulting anyone. That bothers me.
Lastly, muslims being some of the most generous people in the world, well, that remains to be seen. It's a statement you couldn't possibly prove, nor do i expect you too. As for talking down on it, i truly have no respect for the religion. I will not say false things about it though, the truth always cuts much deeper.
If you do decide to start a new thread, i will trade barbs with you on it, if you promise to keep it civil with me. I won't make it personal but i will tell you how in this instance with this religion, how it is wrong. I'm all for respecting someone's culture, but if someone wants to debate merits, you better be able to prove it.
It's like any religion, you have to have faith and im sorry, faith doesn't do it for me in any way, shape, or form.
maybe you should understand the religion before you talk it up?
So, you assume i haven't read up on it, because i don't agree with you?Actually you're wrong and Ex is right.
The NOI "claims" to be a faction of Islam just as the Terrorists on the Pakistani border claim to be fighting for Allah. Islam is a religion based on what Allah said through the Prophet Muhammad. What the NOI preaches and what the Terrorists preach are going against Islam...let me give you an example. Allah said if your enemy attacks you in the name of your religion and saftey then you fight to kill. But as soon as the enemy retreats or surrenders, you do not go in pursuit of the enemy because that would be against the principles of Allah. Terrorism has broken that principle time and time again yet they still claim to be one with Islam.
Now for an example with the NOI. The NOI was founded in Detroit, MI where its goal was to uplift the black spirit during the times of harsh racism. That sentence in itself shows you how they are not one with Islam. Islam preaches equality, sincerity, and peace. The NOI preached black superiority, militancy, and getting what's yours by any means necessary. Now...to go on to this point further, why do you think Malcolm X left the NOI? Malcolm X left because he finally realized that the NOI's ideals are not what Islam is all about. After his trip to Mecca he realized that he needed to be one with Allah and the more peaceful version of Malcolm X emerged.
But you're right, having Muhammad and a 9 year old is disgusting in modern times...but he wasn't living in modern times. So even though you think its disgusting now...if you were living back then, you would most likely have done the same thing because that was the way of life back then. Either that or you wouldn't get married at all.
Islam means peace in Arabic. Your view is tainted through media and false hearsay and I suggest you read several books. Your first one being this one...
Islamic Books: Islamophobia and Anti-Americanism: Causes and Remedies by Mohamed Nimer :|: Astrolabe Islamic Bookstore
It will cure some of your ignorance of the religion. After 9/11, everyone has a negative connotation to the term Islam or Muslim, but if you can't see the truth then why act like you saw it? Read the book...it will open you're eyes. And this is coming from a man of Christian faith. I like to hear the words from the horse's mouth so to speak...and you my friend have not heard that word. I gain nothing by defending Islam, but what I like to see is the truth shed on matters instead of negative propaganda just to feed the monster of stereotypes we already have in America. Read up on it and you'll slowly see what I mean. :thumbsup:
OK, let's see, you just quoted some things, but referenced NOTHING!
Mohammed and a 9 year old, you provide once again, contextual evidence that it was ok. Like i said, its very telling of what is in a person's mind when they rationalize things like this to themselves.
What about Apostasy, how do you defend this practice of muslims? Not the NOI, but Muslims? How do you defend the treatment of women in this religion/culture? How do you defend a religion that says its ok to "lightly rap" your wife? As for you saying that the NOI and the jihadists and terrorists are not muslim, try telling them that. They would write you off as uneducated. You see, It's not how you view them, its how they view themselves. I mean, the only way you could say they aren't muslim is if you were muslim and didn't agree with the way they believed. As it is, you are christian and are telling me there is a wrong and a right way to worship allah, according to the book. Which if you read it, you would know that even the terrorists and NOI have a reference for how they act and the righteousness of their actions through the koran.
Tell me, have you read the early stories of the koran? Do you know what mohammed did to men who did not want to leave their religion or families for extended periods? Did you know that mohammed brutally murdered thousands of people in the name of his religion and defense of his tribe? Do you know what the concept of Jihad is?
I asked you to not make this personal and you called me ignorant to the religion. I would say you are less educated than me about it, but hey, to each his own, if it empowers you to say someone else is ignorant, hey, who am i to stop you?
In the end, if you really wanna debate this, you better be able to come correct cause im telling you, in this debate, i know my stuff. I will make this religion look like the biggest farce since the intelligence to the IRAQ war was proved false.