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He would be the greatest cruiserweight of all time then, and he would be a cruiser weight that could destroy all of the heavies.
My money is on Holyfield. Boxed 15 round fights just like Marciano, would not have gassed, and would clearly out box him. Would be a hell of a battle tho, simply cuz Rocky is made of iron it would appear.
 

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My money is on Holyfield. Boxed 15 round fights just like Marciano, would not have gassed, and would clearly out box him. Would be a hell of a battle tho, simply cuz Rocky is made of iron it would appear.
I think Rocky would take him. In a way, he is a bigger, harder hitting Qawi.
 

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That's why I said in a way;) Rocky has the edge in physical attributes.
He DID beat Qawi twice after all. Qawi was never the same after the first brutal battle, Holyfield did that with his beatings. They asked Tyson who was the hardest puncher he ever faced and he said Holyfield. Shocked they asked Mike why? He responded something along the lines of "well, maybe he didn't punch the hardest but there were just so many of them..."

Marciano punched a lot too, but slower and not as accurate. Holyfield fights this fight on his toes, keeps Marciano at range. Marciano either learns how to use a jab to get inside or is destined to fail. Holyfield and Ali are the two best conditioned Heavyweight Champions of all time. He isn't going to slow down and let Marciano catch up to him. And Holyfield is advocated by everyone to be the greatest Cruiserweight we've ever had. He was BEAUTIFUL at this weight. If he cuts Marciano with in the first half of the fight Marciano isn't making it to 15 unless he pulls off a KO. And Holyfield is no Ezzard Charles, absolutely no history of being stopped in his prime.
 

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He DID beat Qawi twice after all. Qawi was never the same after the first brutal battle, Holyfield did that with his beatings. They asked Tyson who was the hardest puncher he ever faced and he said Holyfield. Shocked they asked Mike why? He responded something along the lines of "well, maybe he didn't punch the hardest but there were just so many of them..."

Marciano punched a lot too, but slower and not as accurate. Holyfield fights this fight on his toes, keeps Marciano at range. Marciano either learns how to use a jab to get inside or is destined to fail. Holyfield and Ali are the two best conditioned Heavyweight Champions of all time. And Holyfield is advocated by everyone to be the greatest Cruiserweight we've ever had. If he cuts Marciano with in the first half of the fight Marciano isn't making it to 15 unless he pulls off a KO. And Holyfield is no Ezzard Charles, absolutely no history of being stopped in his prime.

I was with Qawi last year when we put up a monument of Jersey Joe Walcott in Camden, New Jersey. He is very thick and very strong, even today. If you look at his career, he started boxing pro after he was 25 years old. He lost very early in his career against Johnny Davis, who he beat in a return go. He didn't loss again until he lost to Michael Spinks. When he fought Holyfield, he was 33 years old. After that he was an opponent, BUT he was one tough cookie.
 

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He DID beat Qawi twice after all. Qawi was never the same after the first brutal battle, Holyfield did that with his beatings. They asked Tyson who was the hardest puncher he ever faced and he said Holyfield. Shocked they asked Mike why? He responded something along the lines of "well, maybe he didn't punch the hardest but there were just so many of them..."

Marciano punched a lot too, but slower and not as accurate. Holyfield fights this fight on his toes, keeps Marciano at range. Marciano either learns how to use a jab to get inside or is destined to fail. Holyfield and Ali are the two best conditioned Heavyweight Champions of all time. He isn't going to slow down and let Marciano catch up to him. And Holyfield is advocated by everyone to be the greatest Cruiserweight we've ever had. He was BEAUTIFUL at this weight. If he cuts Marciano with in the first half of the fight Marciano isn't making it to 15 unless he pulls off a KO. And Holyfield is no Ezzard Charles, absolutely no history of being stopped in his prime.
Marciano is known for having possibly the greatest stamina of all time by many people. His workrate kept going up and up as the fight went on where as guys like Ali and Holyfield kept it at a constant rate the entire time. Evander isn't going to outlast Rocky, that is for sure.
 

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He DID beat Qawi twice after all. Qawi was never the same after the first brutal battle, Holyfield did that with his beatings. They asked Tyson who was the hardest puncher he ever faced and he said Holyfield. Shocked they asked Mike why? He responded something along the lines of "well, maybe he didn't punch the hardest but there were just so many of them..."

Marciano punched a lot too, but slower and not as accurate. Holyfield fights this fight on his toes, keeps Marciano at range. Marciano either learns how to use a jab to get inside or is destined to fail. Holyfield and Ali are the two best conditioned Heavyweight Champions of all time. He isn't going to slow down and let Marciano catch up to him. And Holyfield is advocated by everyone to be the greatest Cruiserweight we've ever had. He was BEAUTIFUL at this weight. If he cuts Marciano with in the first half of the fight Marciano isn't making it to 15 unless he pulls off a KO. And Holyfield is no Ezzard Charles, absolutely no history of being stopped in his prime.
If you look back on the fight between Rocky Marciano vs. Ezzard Charles II, Marciano had a severe cut over his nose, and he had only one round to knock Charles out. And he did. Marciano KOs Holyfield in 10!
 

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He DID beat Qawi twice after all. Qawi was never the same after the first brutal battle, Holyfield did that with his beatings. They asked Tyson who was the hardest puncher he ever faced and he said Holyfield. Shocked they asked Mike why? He responded something along the lines of "well, maybe he didn't punch the hardest but there were just so many of them..."

Marciano punched a lot too, but slower and not as accurate. Holyfield fights this fight on his toes, keeps Marciano at range. Marciano either learns how to use a jab to get inside or is destined to fail. Holyfield and Ali are the two best conditioned Heavyweight Champions of all time. He isn't going to slow down and let Marciano catch up to him. And Holyfield is advocated by everyone to be the greatest Cruiserweight we've ever had. He was BEAUTIFUL at this weight. If he cuts Marciano with in the first half of the fight Marciano isn't making it to 15 unless he pulls off a KO. And Holyfield is no Ezzard Charles, absolutely no history of being stopped in his prime.
Had to quote myself to address your post :p

If you look back on the fight between Rocky Marciano vs. Ezzard Charles II, Marciano had a severe cut over his nose, and he had only one round to knock Charles out. And he did. Marciano KOs Holyfield in 10!
As for what Bill said about Marciano getting stronger as the fight went on, that's because he started slow. Holyfield and Ali would be blasting on his ass from the beginning. Not only would he have to survive the blood, but he'd have to come back from such wide deficits than a KO was a must. Both Ali and Holyfield have been in with bigger hitters than Marciano, and as far as accumulated punishment that Marciano could deliver goes, he'd have to LAND enough shots to break them down. Quite frankly he'd swing his hooks at air most of the night and stagger around the ring.
 

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It would be an interesting bout as both had a lot of heart and stamina. I think Rocky hit harder BUT Holyfield had better boxing skills and was a little bigger. Holyfield started out in the 170's and ended up at approx. 220.

Holyfield was 6'2-1/2" to Rocky's 5'10-1/4"
Holyfield had a reach of 78" to Rocky's 68"

It would sure be interesting
 

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According to Peter Marciano (so it is probably biased towards "The Brockton Blockbuster"), Rocky could carry 215 with relative comfort with little fat if he wanted to. He said he really struggled to stay under 190 during his reign. Which, if you think about makes sence. Rocky had big legs, but always kept slim everywhere he could help it. If he wanted to, he could add maybe 15-20 lbs of muscle, which would put him up to about Frazier's size.
 

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According to Peter Marciano (so it is probably biased towards "The Brockton Blockbuster"), Rocky could carry 215 with relative comfort with little fat if he wanted to. He said he really struggled to stay under 190 during his reign. Which, if you think about makes sence. Rocky had big legs, but always kept slim everywhere he could help it. If he wanted to, he could add maybe 15-20 lbs of muscle, which would put him up to about Frazier's size.
Sounds far fetched. Also, white people have bigger legs. Don't ask me why.
 

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According to Peter Marciano (so it is probably biased towards "The Brockton Blockbuster"), Rocky could carry 215 with relative comfort with little fat if he wanted to. He said he really struggled to stay under 190 during his reign. Which, if you think about makes sence. Rocky had big legs, but always kept slim everywhere he could help it. If he wanted to, he could add maybe 15-20 lbs of muscle, which would put him up to about Frazier's size.
Yes, even his brother Lou told me that, BUT still Holyfield would be bigger in height and reach. Rocky trained very hard and that is why his weight came down as it did.

Both were friends of Lou Duva, who has Rocky #1, and when asked about how hard Rocky trained and if their was anyone that he knew that trained as hard, Lou said, yes, Holyfield did.
 

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Yes, even his brother Lou told me that, BUT still Holyfield would be bigger in height and reach. Rocky trained very hard and that is why his weight came down as it did.

Both were friends of Lou Duva, who has Rocky #1, and when asked about how hard Rocky trained and if their was anyone that he knew that trained as hard, Lou said, yes, Holyfield did.
Evander was a really hard trainer obviously, but he seemed to be great in spurts, but not in the long lasting volume of punches that Rocky was able to sustain.
 

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Evander was a really hard trainer obviously, but he seemed to be great in spurts, but not in the long lasting volume of punches that Rocky was able to sustain.

That's true BUT Holyfield fought a lot bigger man then Rocky did. That could have been why he fought that way. Bigger men seem to lay on you and wore you out more then lighter boxers do.
 

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I think Larry had what it takes to last 15 rounds with Rocky... He would prabably have one hell of a hard time in the later rounds but I think he would make it and win a decision.


Jersey Joe Walcott was beating Marciano until that very moment. Yes he was fading a bit and Roacly was starting to take the fight, but I think Larry was much better than Walcott.
 
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