Nice stuff I did not know much about him at all untill I read that all I knew was that he was a great fighter.
Sugar Ray History
Sugar Ray Robinson, born Walker Smith Jr., (May 3, 1921 – April 12, 1989) is recognized as one of the greatest boxers of all time. He is frequently listed at number one on the list of top boxers by boxing aficionados. A holder of many boxing records, Robinson was the first boxer in history to win a divisional world championship five times, a feat he accomplished by defeating Carmen Basilio in 1958 to regain the world middleweight title he had lost to Basilio the previous year. Robinson also held the world welterweight title from 1946 to 1951.
Many boxing fans and critics regard Robinson as pound for pound the best boxer of all time. Muhammad Ali, who repeatedly called himself "The Greatest," has said without hesitation that, while he considers himself the greatest heavyweight fighter, Robinson was the greatest fighter of all time.
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Many boxing fans and critics regard Robinson as pound for pound the best boxer of all time. Muhammad Ali, who repeatedly called himself "The Greatest," has said without hesitation that, while he considers himself the greatest heavyweight fighter, Robinson was the greatest fighter of all time.
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Robinson, in his prime could box with the boxers and punch with the punchers, and in an era of much smaller purses probably did not allways give 100% in his first fight against opponents when they fought. Sort of build your own rematch and maintain great fan interest. Still the greatest ever.
Netman said:Sugar Ray Robinson, born Walker Smith Jr., (May 3, 1921 – April 12, 1989) is recognized as one of the greatest boxers of all time. He is frequently listed at number one on the list of top boxers by boxing aficionados. A holder of many boxing records, Robinson was the first boxer in history to win a divisional world championship five times, a feat he accomplished by defeating Carmen Basilio in 1958 to regain the world middleweight title he had lost to Basilio the previous year. Robinson also held the world welterweight title from 1946 to 1951.
Many boxing fans and critics regard Robinson as pound for pound the best boxer of all time. Muhammad Ali, who repeatedly called himself "The Greatest," has said without hesitation that, while he considers himself the greatest heavyweight fighter, Robinson was the greatest fighter of all time.
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If I remember right, he only lost one of his first 120 fights, and he knocked the guy out later on. Robby was awesome, and ten times the Champ that Ali could ever dream of being.
There may have been some who were 'more scientific' boxers, but no greater fighter ever lived
Greatest HW champ of all time
Ali refers to himself is the key phrase here. He isn't worthy to carry Joe Louis' gloves to the gym. I honestly wish I could bring Joe back and then make them both 26 y.o. Louis would destroy that loudmouth jerk. I think Marciano would too
Ali could move, and he had a super left jab. He didn't know how to attack the body, nor did he ever throw an uppercut.
I also think he was a very poor ambassador for the sport. Anything but humble. Louis and Marciano were both humble of men. A quality sadly lacking in so many of today's athletes
Ali refers to himself is the key phrase here. He isn't worthy to carry Joe Louis' gloves to the gym. I honestly wish I could bring Joe back and then make them both 26 y.o. Louis would destroy that loudmouth jerk. I think Marciano would too
Ali could move, and he had a super left jab. He didn't know how to attack the body, nor did he ever throw an uppercut.
I also think he was a very poor ambassador for the sport. Anything but humble. Louis and Marciano were both humble of men. A quality sadly lacking in so many of today's athletes
I agree, but Ali's jab was not great it was good.
if he was a 10 time champ he must have lost it 10 times something that would never happen to ali.Glen said:If I remember right, he only lost one of his first 120 fights, and he knocked the guy out later on. Robby was awesome, and ten times the Champ that Ali could ever dream of being.
There may have been some who were 'more scientific' boxers, but no greater fighter ever lived
there the 2 best but i favour ali.
Yeah, I think Sugar Ray was slightly overrated. The same thing with Ali except he was way overrated. Both won fights they really lost at the end of their career's just because they were them.
growing up he was one of my favorite fighters, his fights were so enjoyable.
Who Robinson, or Ali/Clay?
Sugar Ray Robinsonbill1234 said:Who Robinson, or Ali/Clay?
Thats what I thought, just making sure.
When Ali was younger he didn't enjoy doing roadwork, but that changed when Dunde told Ali that roadwork was Robinsons favorite type of exercise. Shortly thereafter roadwork became Ali's favorite type of exercise. Ali in his later years attributed his greatness to his endurence which was a result of all the roadwork he did. Funnie isnt it?
In my opinion ... the greatest all-round fighter of all time was Sugar Ray Robinson ... he could do it all. He could box, punch, and had superior defense and other amazing skills. He could knock you out going backwards, like he did Gene Fullmer.Netman said:Many boxing fans and critics regard Robinson as pound for pound the best boxer of all time.
Ali ... had greatly admired Sugar Ray, and said he patterned himself after him.
I doubt if we'll ever get fighters like Sugar Ray again.
Ali was a great fighter ... but none was as ever as great of all around fighter as Sugar Ray Robinson in my opinion.
JCC
Ali is no doubt a top 3 greatest of all-time, but when the man said that he felt that Sugar Ray Robinson was better than he was....that kinda tells you how great sugar ray robinson was. And I don't really think that Sugar Ray Robinson was overrated, for one this was a man who averaged about 2 fights (15 rounds each) per month; knocks people out while moving backwards; and he was the first to know and understand the Sweet Science; was Ali's idol during the booming Harlem Renaissance, and I met this man who actually watched the Robinson vs Lamotta fight and he said that watching him verified that he was the best fighter in the world then and even now.TommyGunn said:if he was a 10 time champ he must have lost it 10 times something that would never happen to ali.
there the 2 best but i favour ali.
stop trolling.The Executioner said:Ali is no doubt a top 3 greatest of all-time, but when the man said that he felt that Sugar Ray Robinson was better than he was....that kinda tells you how great sugar ray robinson was. And I don't really think that Sugar Ray Robinson was overrated, for one this was a man who averaged about 2 fights (15 rounds each) per month; knocks people out while moving backwards; and he was the first to know and understand the Sweet Science; was Ali's idol during the booming Harlem Renaissance, and I met this man who actually watched the Robinson vs Lamotta fight and he said that watching him verified that he was the best fighter in the world then and even now.
this threads been dead since last year!
How is this considered trolling?!!?! He shut you down without calling you one derogatory name? You call me every name in the book and you have yet to recieve warnings...this is some bull...so you can't even debate fair huh...He knows alot about Sugar Ray Rob and he wants to put input on it, let him speak on it...dag this is not trolling, this is your way to stop the embarassment...The Executioner said:Ali is no doubt a top 3 greatest of all-time, but when the man said that he felt that Sugar Ray Robinson was better than he was....that kinda tells you how great sugar ray robinson was. And I don't really think that Sugar Ray Robinson was overrated, for one this was a man who averaged about 2 fights (15 rounds each) per month; knocks people out while moving backwards; and he was the first to know and understand the Sweet Science; was Ali's idol during the booming Harlem Renaissance, and I met this man who actually watched the Robinson vs Lamotta fight and he said that watching him verified that he was the best fighter in the world then and even now.
This Glen guy said Ali was a poor embassador (sp?) for the sport? Imo he is the greatest embassador(sp?) that boxing has ever had. People loved him he didnt drink he didnt do drugs he stand for a cause (the war thing), and boxing would definatly not be the same if it wasnt for him.
At least somebody know his boxing on this forum! Well said Brutus, I agree with you that :thumbsup: If he wasn't a good ambassador, then it must take a whole lot to become a good oneBrutus said:This Glen guy said Ali was a poor embassador (sp?) for the sport? Imo he is the greatest embassador(sp?) that boxing has ever had. People loved him he didnt drink he didnt do drugs he stand for a cause (the war thing), and boxing would definatly not be the same if it wasnt for him.
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