Who do you think had the best record? I think Marciano. He's the only one to have a perfect, undefeated record. His record was 49 wins, 0 lost, 0 draws, 43 knock outs. He was knocked down only twice in all of his fights. The first time was against Jersey Joe Walcot in their first fight, first round in 1952. The second time was his last fight against Archie Moore in 1956.
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records don't mean shhhhhhhhhhhhhhht.
I don't think recods are the whole story but they do mean something.daveDaboxingfan said:
Julo Ceasar Chavez had a pretty impresive record.Ninety some fights without a loss.His six losses came in his last 24 or 25 fights. 108-6-2
That's alot of fights for a modern day fighter.
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OHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHH fighting UN ranked and guys with below 400 recordsniko said:
Again records don't mean shttttttttttttttttt..
Rocky Marciano is the ONLY HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION ever to complete a professional career without a loss.
Marciano's professional record in 49-0, with 43 KO's.
And not only is Rocky Marciano the only world heavyweight champion to complete a professional career without a loss. Marciano is also the ONLY WORLD CHAMPION of ANY WEIGHT DIVISION in the history of "gloved" boxing to complete a professional career without a loss.
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Marciano's professional record in 49-0, with 43 KO's.
And not only is Rocky Marciano the only world heavyweight champion to complete a professional career without a loss. Marciano is also the ONLY WORLD CHAMPION of ANY WEIGHT DIVISION in the history of "gloved" boxing to complete a professional career without a loss.
JCC
I put this on another question, and I feel it also belongs with this thread also. This is just for the Heavyweight division:
I have done a ton of research and you can not judge a boxer just on his record. You have to judge them on who they fought and beat during their career.
Marciano fought 49 pro bouts but only fought 13 boxers 16 times that were in the top 10 at one time or another. That comes to 32.653% of boxers he fought were contenders that rated in the top 10 in the World at one time or another.
Also, the average pro record of the boxers Rocky fought was 29.7 (wins), 10.2 (losses) and 1.8 draws, for a 73.5 winning percentage.
If you compare him with Joe Louis, Louis fought 76% of his bouts against contenders that were rated in the top 10 in the World and the average record of the boxers he fought was 38.1 (wins), 10.2 (losses) 2.6 (draws), for a 77.3 winning percentage, so Louis fought by far the better competition.
Just look at some of the other Heavyweight Champions:
Boxer-----Cont./Cont.---Bouts----% Contenders--Winning % Cont
Ali---------38/49--------061-------80.3279-------089.8---44-5-0
Louis------43/54--------071-------76.056---------094.4---51-3-0
Holyfield*--31/37--------050-------74.0000-------075.7---27-8-2
Spinks M*--18*/20*-----032-------62.5000*------095.0---20-1-0
Tyson------33/36-------058-------62.06896------088.9---32-4-0
Lewis------23/26--------044-------59.0909-------090.4---23-2-1
Sharkey----23/33--------055-------58.1818-------060.0---17-13-3
Frazier------13/19-------037-------51.35135------078.9---15-4-0
Walcott-----24/35-------071-------49.29577------062.9---22-13-0
Charles------34/54------ 114-------47.3684-------066.7---36-18
Holmes------31/35-------075-------46.6667-------082.9---29-6-0
Liston-------18/22-------054-------40.7407-------086.4---19-3-0
Patterson----19/26-------064-------40.625--------067.3---17-8-1
Johansson----09/11-------028-------39.2857------081.8---9-2-0
Carnera------30/39-------103-------37.86---------082.0---32-7-0
Foreman-----23/27-------081-------33.333333----081.4---22-5-0
Marciano-----13/16-------049-------32.653-------100.0---16-0-0
Baer---------21/27-------084-------32.142857----065.4---17-9-0
Spinks L-----12/13-------046-------28.261--------034.6---4-8-1
Schmeling----11/17-------070-------24.2857------067.6---11-5-1
Braddock-----16/19-------086-------22.093-------033.3---6-12 (1 NC)
Cont./Cont. - amount of different contenders they fought/amount of total bouts against those contenders.
Bouts - Total bouts they had in their pro career
% Contenders - the % of their bouts against contenders
Winning % Cont - winning % against all bouts against contenders and their total record against them.
These ratings were taken out of the "Ring" monthly ranking, so I did not include boxers like Dempsey, Tunney or anyone before them. Also, Holyfield and M. Spinks totals include bouts they had as Light Heavyweights.
I have done a ton of research and you can not judge a boxer just on his record. You have to judge them on who they fought and beat during their career.
Marciano fought 49 pro bouts but only fought 13 boxers 16 times that were in the top 10 at one time or another. That comes to 32.653% of boxers he fought were contenders that rated in the top 10 in the World at one time or another.
Also, the average pro record of the boxers Rocky fought was 29.7 (wins), 10.2 (losses) and 1.8 draws, for a 73.5 winning percentage.
If you compare him with Joe Louis, Louis fought 76% of his bouts against contenders that were rated in the top 10 in the World and the average record of the boxers he fought was 38.1 (wins), 10.2 (losses) 2.6 (draws), for a 77.3 winning percentage, so Louis fought by far the better competition.
Just look at some of the other Heavyweight Champions:
Boxer-----Cont./Cont.---Bouts----% Contenders--Winning % Cont
Ali---------38/49--------061-------80.3279-------089.8---44-5-0
Louis------43/54--------071-------76.056---------094.4---51-3-0
Holyfield*--31/37--------050-------74.0000-------075.7---27-8-2
Spinks M*--18*/20*-----032-------62.5000*------095.0---20-1-0
Tyson------33/36-------058-------62.06896------088.9---32-4-0
Lewis------23/26--------044-------59.0909-------090.4---23-2-1
Sharkey----23/33--------055-------58.1818-------060.0---17-13-3
Frazier------13/19-------037-------51.35135------078.9---15-4-0
Walcott-----24/35-------071-------49.29577------062.9---22-13-0
Charles------34/54------ 114-------47.3684-------066.7---36-18
Holmes------31/35-------075-------46.6667-------082.9---29-6-0
Liston-------18/22-------054-------40.7407-------086.4---19-3-0
Patterson----19/26-------064-------40.625--------067.3---17-8-1
Johansson----09/11-------028-------39.2857------081.8---9-2-0
Carnera------30/39-------103-------37.86---------082.0---32-7-0
Foreman-----23/27-------081-------33.333333----081.4---22-5-0
Marciano-----13/16-------049-------32.653-------100.0---16-0-0
Baer---------21/27-------084-------32.142857----065.4---17-9-0
Spinks L-----12/13-------046-------28.261--------034.6---4-8-1
Schmeling----11/17-------070-------24.2857------067.6---11-5-1
Braddock-----16/19-------086-------22.093-------033.3---6-12 (1 NC)
Cont./Cont. - amount of different contenders they fought/amount of total bouts against those contenders.
Bouts - Total bouts they had in their pro career
% Contenders - the % of their bouts against contenders
Winning % Cont - winning % against all bouts against contenders and their total record against them.
These ratings were taken out of the "Ring" monthly ranking, so I did not include boxers like Dempsey, Tunney or anyone before them. Also, Holyfield and M. Spinks totals include bouts they had as Light Heavyweights.
I know him, I work out at his gym and he even gave me a gatoraid, signed picture with him, and a video without me asking!!! He also shows me a bunch boxing stuff too. He not only is one of the top 5 great heavies, but he is also one of the top 5 nicest boxers ever too.hhascup said:
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No he is not
But to say some one with 49-0-0 is the greatest not SO
The quality of opponents is what makes you great.
As for Rocky Marciano? Don't take my word ... I'm nobody, but this is what the great and legendary handler and fight trainer (who is more than 80 years old, and still training fighters .. and trained 18 world champions) Lou Duva ... had to say about it!
LOU DUVA --- I say Rocky Marciano was the greatest heavyweight of them ALL. I can only go by one thing; no one ever beat him!
Rocky ... had the perfect style. He made this style to beat any fighter at all, and he had the tools. Rocky had Charley Goldman, a very great trainer, and Rocky was a great pupil. It was a combination that would be hard to beat, and it never was beaten.
I'm one of the old timers; I never watched a fighter as much as I watched the trainer. You've got to show a fighter and tell him why? And that's the main reason that Goldman was a great trainer. He explained everything to Rocky and told him why? he should do it!
Rocky was relentless. He'd bang your body, arms, head all over (he could hurt you no matter where he hit you!).
He would charge an opponent (he bulled them!) and keep going after him throwing punches. He NEVER backed off, and ALWAYS went forward. He was the best; not because of style ... but the tenacious .. and his heart.
In fact, I adopted Rocky's motto myself, which was don't ever hold back, just go right in there and "keep punching." How could a guy put togather an offense of his own if he had to keep blocking punches?
I'll never forget when his nose was split wide open ... by Ezzard Charles .. and several other times when his eyes were busted up ... and cut so bad .. he could not see. Rocky just kept on going forward and punching relentlessly until he knocked them all out.
He was one of a kind.
(source: Lou Duva)
JCC
LOU DUVA --- I say Rocky Marciano was the greatest heavyweight of them ALL. I can only go by one thing; no one ever beat him!
Rocky ... had the perfect style. He made this style to beat any fighter at all, and he had the tools. Rocky had Charley Goldman, a very great trainer, and Rocky was a great pupil. It was a combination that would be hard to beat, and it never was beaten.
I'm one of the old timers; I never watched a fighter as much as I watched the trainer. You've got to show a fighter and tell him why? And that's the main reason that Goldman was a great trainer. He explained everything to Rocky and told him why? he should do it!
Rocky was relentless. He'd bang your body, arms, head all over (he could hurt you no matter where he hit you!).
He would charge an opponent (he bulled them!) and keep going after him throwing punches. He NEVER backed off, and ALWAYS went forward. He was the best; not because of style ... but the tenacious .. and his heart.
In fact, I adopted Rocky's motto myself, which was don't ever hold back, just go right in there and "keep punching." How could a guy put togather an offense of his own if he had to keep blocking punches?
I'll never forget when his nose was split wide open ... by Ezzard Charles .. and several other times when his eyes were busted up ... and cut so bad .. he could not see. Rocky just kept on going forward and punching relentlessly until he knocked them all out.
He was one of a kind.
(source: Lou Duva)
JCC
Here' s another list that might interest some of you. It gives you the win/lost record and % win/lost record of all the boxers that these Heavyweight Champions went against:
Boxer----Ave Opp Wins--Ave Opp Losses--Ave Opp Drews--Opp Win Lost %
Holyfield---28.94---------3.900-------------0.52000---------87.52997
Tyson-----22.27---------3.534-------------0.29310---------86.4597
Ali---------33.229--------5.2459-----------1.1967----------85.26859
Lewis*-----25.1136------5.22727-----------0.500-----------82.240
Spinks M---21.750-------4.43750-----------0.71875---------82.17189
Frazier-----26.02778-----5.41667-----------0.9459459------81.8167
Sharkey----37.34545-----8.92727-----------2.8909---------78.90
Holmes-----19.8533------5.09333-----------0.6667---------78.813
Louis-------38.09859----10.2253------------2.6338---------77.349
Charles-----35.19298-----9.57017-----------2.10526--------77.3348
Walcott----26.718--------7.6338------------1.239----------76.81
Patterson--28.84375------8.578125----------1.90625--------75.764799
Johansson--25.0357-------7.60714-----------1.7500---------75.337
Braddock---22.488--------7.15116-----------1.8837---------74.3268
Marciano---29.73469-----10.163265----------1.77551-------73.48188
Foreman---20.77778-------7.54320987-------1.037----------72.539949
Liston------22.2037--------8.148148---------1.8333---------71.835
Baer-------21.345238------8.00000-----------2.8452381-----70.72855
Schmeling--18.842857------7.1571428--------2.4571428------70.532128
Carnera----27.19417------11.1941747--------3.17475728-----69.2478
Spinks L----18.1956--------8.3260869--------0.6739---------68.14548
Boxer----Ave Opp Wins--Ave Opp Losses--Ave Opp Drews--Opp Win Lost %
Holyfield---28.94---------3.900-------------0.52000---------87.52997
Tyson-----22.27---------3.534-------------0.29310---------86.4597
Ali---------33.229--------5.2459-----------1.1967----------85.26859
Lewis*-----25.1136------5.22727-----------0.500-----------82.240
Spinks M---21.750-------4.43750-----------0.71875---------82.17189
Frazier-----26.02778-----5.41667-----------0.9459459------81.8167
Sharkey----37.34545-----8.92727-----------2.8909---------78.90
Holmes-----19.8533------5.09333-----------0.6667---------78.813
Louis-------38.09859----10.2253------------2.6338---------77.349
Charles-----35.19298-----9.57017-----------2.10526--------77.3348
Walcott----26.718--------7.6338------------1.239----------76.81
Patterson--28.84375------8.578125----------1.90625--------75.764799
Johansson--25.0357-------7.60714-----------1.7500---------75.337
Braddock---22.488--------7.15116-----------1.8837---------74.3268
Marciano---29.73469-----10.163265----------1.77551-------73.48188
Foreman---20.77778-------7.54320987-------1.037----------72.539949
Liston------22.2037--------8.148148---------1.8333---------71.835
Baer-------21.345238------8.00000-----------2.8452381-----70.72855
Schmeling--18.842857------7.1571428--------2.4571428------70.532128
Carnera----27.19417------11.1941747--------3.17475728-----69.2478
Spinks L----18.1956--------8.3260869--------0.6739---------68.14548
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