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I seldom watch the fights any more, and I've been out of the loop for some years since the 1990's.

But I've been hearing a lot about the so-called (WBA) heavyweight champ ... there's so many now calling themselves the heavyweight champ today, and the last time I counted it was 8, calling themselves a heavyweight champ. We no longer have any one as the heavyweight champ today, we got heavyweight champs but no real heavyweight champ.

Any way, I got curious about the big Russian ... Nikolai Valuev and recently watched some of his fights on youtube ... and despite his professional record being 43 (fights)-- 0 (losses), with 31 KO's ... I wasn't impressed with his boxing ability at all as a professional.

The guy's 7 feet tall, and weighs more than 300 pounds.

I think they ought to make a new weight division for him ... in being there are so many already today. What difference would it make if they just added one more?

Only problem is he may would be the only fighter in it if they did, and he would have no one to fight!

If this guy is going to continue to fight little guys and misfits ... perhaps ... the rules should be changed for his fights! And to allow the little guys to use elbows and punches below the belt and to allow them to use more tape in having their hands wrapped so that when they hit this giant it would be like hitting him with a rock!

The guy can box ... but his ability is on an amatuer level. At least in my veiw it is, anyway. On the other hand, how much ability would one need to have if you were 7 feet tall and to weigh more than 300 pounds?

You would need some ability, but not really all that much. Especially, in being there are so many mediocre heavyweight fighters today, with not all that much talent.

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JCC said:
I seldom watch the fights any more, and I've been out of the loop for some years since the 1990's.

But I've been hearing a lot about the so-called (WBA) heavyweight champ ... there's so many now calling themselves the heavyweight champ today, and the last time I counted it was 8, calling themselves a heavyweight champ. We no longer have any one as the heavyweight champ today, we got heavyweight champs but no real heavyweight champ.

Any way, I got curious about the big Russian ... Nikolai Valuev and recently watched some of his fights on youtube ... and despite his professional record being 43 (fights)-- 0 (losses), with 31 KO's ... I wasn't impressed with his boxing ability at all as a professional.

The guy's 7 feet tall, and weighs more than 300 pounds.

I think they ought to make a new weight division for him ... in being there are so many already today. What difference would it make if they just added one more?

Only problem is he may would be the on fighter in it if they did, and he would have no one to fight!

If this guy is going to continue to fight little guys and misfits ... perhaps ... the rules should be changed for his fights! And to allow the little guys to use elbows and punches below the belt and to allow them to use more tape in having their hands wrapped so that when they hit this giant it would be like hitting him with a rock!

The guy can box ... but his ability is on an amatuer level. At least in my veiw it is, anyway. On the other hand, how much ability would one need to have if you were 7 feet tall and to weigh more than 300 pounds?

You would need some ability, but not really all that much. Especially, in being there are so many mediocre heavyweight fighters today, with not all that much talent.

JCC
Isn't there a Super-Heavyweight Division... or was there? I reckon they should make a division for all boxers who weigh over 300 Pounds. How about that?
 

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JCC said:
I seldom watch the fights any more, and I've been out of the loop for some years since the 1990's.

But I've been hearing a lot about the so-called (WBA) heavyweight champ ... there's so many now calling themselves the heavyweight champ today, and the last time I counted it was 8, calling themselves a heavyweight champ. We no longer have any one as the heavyweight champ today, we got heavyweight champs but no real heavyweight champ.

Any way, I got curious about the big Russian ... Nikolai Valuev and recently watched some of his fights on youtube ... and despite his professional record being 43 (fights)-- 0 (losses), with 31 KO's ... I wasn't impressed with his boxing ability at all as a professional.

The guy's 7 feet tall, and weighs more than 300 pounds.

I think they ought to make a new weight division for him ... in being there are so many already today. What difference would it make if they just added one more?

Only problem is he may would be the on fighter in it if they did, and he would have no one to fight!

If this guy is going to continue to fight little guys and misfits ... perhaps ... the rules should be changed for his fights! And to allow the little guys to use elbows and punches below the belt and to allow them to use more tape in having their hands wrapped so that when they hit this giant it would be like hitting him with a rock!

The guy can box ... but his ability is on an amatuer level. At least in my veiw it is, anyway. On the other hand, how much ability would one need to have if you were 7 feet tall and to weigh more than 300 pounds?

You would need some ability, but not really all that much. Especially, in being there are so many mediocre heavyweight fighters today, with not all that much talent.

JCC
Right know it’s not necessary
John Ruiz beat that 7 foot guy and they stole the fight from him.
So my point if john could beat him just about anybody else can.
 

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I think he is a circus act waiting for the right guy with the right game plan to fell the giant.He is an oaff.
I watched several of his fights ... on youtube .. I would not pay to see this guy fight! But if free! What not?

He has a little boxing ability, not much but he doesn't need to have much boxing ability, he's 7 feet tall, and weighs 320 plus pounds and he a pretty strong guy.

I'd recently watched his fights ... he makes alot of mistakes. But based on all I'm seeing now is the guys he's been fighting with few a possible few exceptions really have no more talent than he has. So he doesn't need to have much boxing ability to win fights. He can get by with just being a big strong guy.

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Anyone with decent footwork could beat this guy on points. He is slow, and his shots are akward, and don't land cleanly, or with full extension. Slipping his jab could be done with one's eyes closed, and then just pound the body, uppercut and hold on until the ref seperates them.

Easier said than done, of course, he is big, and strong, and that's his best attribute.
 

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Jetcar said:
Anyone with decent footwork could beat this guy on points. He is slow, and his shots are akward, and don't land cleanly, or with full extension. Slipping his jab could be done with one's eyes closed, and then just pound the body, uppercut and hold on until the ref seperates them.

Easier said than done, of course, he is big, and strong, and that's his best attribute.
Sounds right! In my veiw, the big Russian has almost no boxing ability, but of course, he can box ... you know what I'm saying.

He's like a lot of Russian fighters ... I noticed in more recent years .. tend to like to work off the left jab alot.

This guy, is not built to fight long rounds ... and they've always been hard for heavyweights ... they have to pace themselves more.

But as for this guy, I don't believe he could do 10 rounds with five oxygen tanks on his back.

Someone needs to fight this guy, who can really box, but who also has the punch. And to go the body, and keep throwing punches to the body, and to work the left hook alot to get this guys hands down ... and to exhaust him.

This guy's very slow ... and I've noticed he paces himself and doesn't look like he's doing much in a fight until he thinks he may have the guy hurt ... then he becomes a tiger and will then try to get knockout.

He's big, and he's strong, but he's not a smart fighter ... not clever ... but he does listen to his corner. I'd noticed that about him.

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man does tanks are very heavy.

I think his stamina & work rate are better than some of the heavys. Did you see Liakhovich vs Briggs or Holyfield vs Oquendo. Those fighters where suckin wind the entire fight & not throwing any punches.
 

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Least Holyfield has an excuse. He is 112 yrs old !!!

THe others just suck, and never had anything that remotely resembles decent boxing skills.
 

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This Russian's pissing me off! He is closing in on Marciano's record... which he doesn't deserve to break! Marciano was 5'10" goddamn it! I am so sure there have been many boxers out there who weren't allowed to fight because they were way too big! SOMEBODY... PLEASE BEAT THIS BIG RUSSIAN ASAP... BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!! :cheeky4:
 

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Don't worry about Rocky's record, no one is going to acknowledge the level of competition between the two fighters... Ruiz was the best name on Valuev's resume, so far. Apart from stealing the belt in an ugly fight, he's done nothing to win the public's interest, other than dispaly his freakish gigantism.

Klitschko would beat him, easily.
Toney would give him the fight of his life, if he came to the fight in shape.
Byrd would run circles around him all night.
I even give Jameel McCline chances against this guy.
Briggs? Well, he's afraid of getting jabbed, so it would be a natural conflict for him.
 

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I only seen a picture of this guy he's sickeningly huge, is he ducking these other fighters or what going on i hear sucks and i'm sure he's slow, maybe he should fight bob sapp that might be a good fight
 

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I only seen a picture of this guy he's sickeningly huge, is he ducking these other fighters or what going on i hear sucks and i'm sure he's slow, maybe he should fight bob sapp that might be a good fight
They both might die of exhaustion if they're not careful!:D
 

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I only seen a picture of this guy he's sickeningly huge, is he ducking these other fighters or what going on i hear sucks and i'm sure he's slow, maybe he should fight bob sapp that might be a good fight.
Bob Sapp? He's no boxer! That stuff Sapp is into looks much like theater ... the professional wrestling stuff to me. I watched the guy go one round with a guy he was suppose to have knocked out, and he's very slow and clumsy, and was grasping for air after only one round. This stuff I can't take serious it looks like a cartoon.

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Bob Sapp

He is a big fat man

He got strong by taking a lot of steroids

He is not fit

He is not fast

He is not even a very good athletic

The most athletic thing I've seen him do is a martial arts kick of some kind... and that's about it!

All Bob Sapp has taught me is that you can take a lot of steroids to get strong, be really fat, unfit... and yet be considered "GREAT" in "THE FIGHTING WORLD" and "FAMOUS!" :D

Although Rid**** Bowe is 39 and semi-retired/making a comeback... he has only had 1 defeat... and even that was very close... HE CAN BEAT THE BIG RUSSIAN... SURELY!!!
 

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Hey, I saw the Bob Sapp-Mike Tyson film clip on youtube.com.

Mike Tyson was sitting at ringside on the front row watching one of those free style fighting bouts or whatever else you may would want to call that stuff a mixture of mostly grappling or wrestling and martial arts.

I saw Mike Tyson sitting at ringside watching that stuff and Bob Sapp "The Beast" they call him his bout ... with some guy, who Sapp beat in the first round.

Tyson is sitting there smiling as if it was a big joke or as if he were watching a cartoon or something that was hilarious and funny to watch.

After the match ... Mike Tyson is waved into the ring, supposedly to congratulate Bob Sapp on his victory and first first knockout of his opponent. It was easy to tell it was all set up, you see. And that it was part of the show.

Sapp acts like he's going to charge him, and people there are alot of people in the ring by now, grap Sapp and to look like they are trying to hold him back from jumping on Tyson, and it was so obvious that it was staged.

Sapp is given a mirophone and he starts mouthing at Mike Tyson, and them Tyson is given a mirophone and he's grinning and says, as the fans started chanting TYSON. TYSON, TYSON, TYSON ... and Tyson is calm, cool and collected ... and grinning, and says "If the queens berry rules or boxing rules ... NOW THAT'S REAL! I will fight you! I will even fight you even tonight! (Or, something like that Tyson said), and added "I'll fight you right now, tonight!"

Sapp takes a mircophone then giving to him on the other side of the ring, and mouths off some stuff to Tyson, and Tyson says grinning, "Then sign the contract, big boy!"

Notice about what Tyson said, NOW THIS IS REAL! What he was referring too. And that should tell you something!

The kind fighting that Bob Sapp is doing isn't real.

It's just a kind of professional wrestling fake stuff, that isn't real, and all show.

Really, I'm amazed at how many fans think that stuff is real. Maybe it's just because they want to believe it's real.

If boxing rules? Despite Tyson being an old guy now, and really finished now as a fighter. But he's still tough and knows how to fight and dangerous. And in a real fight! Not an exhibition of just putting on a show, but a real fight with boxing rules. Bob Sapp, no doubt would likely never even get pass the first round without getting knocked out by Mike Tyson, and maybe even to be seriously injured and for Sapp to get his jaw broke by Tyson or something like that.

There is alot a difference between amatuer and pro ... in boxing, and especially so if a very experienced pro and most especially if you talking about somebody like Mike Tyson, a former world champion.

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ERIK said:
I think his stamina & work rate are better than some of the heavys. Did you see Liakhovich vs Briggs or Holyfield vs Oquendo. Those fighters where suckin wind the entire fight & not throwing any punches.
you are 100% right dude
 
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