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It really bugs me that title fights and or big fights arent 15 rounds anymore. Boxing is becoming less and less dangerous/exciting. When it was 15 rounds, the only way you could get a draw was if someone got knocked down or fouled a couple times. But now there are lots of draws. It is also annoying with all of the clinching, all it is is hit two times and clinch, hit two times and clinch (in the heavyweights at least). Its annoying. Boxing is starting to lose pazaz because of it. Fighters go into the fights unprepared, and fat (again at least in the heavyweights). If the 15 round title/big fights were back maybe the havyweights would actualy train and get into shape!!! They are slow, basicly weak compared to the 30's, 40's, 50's 60's, 70's and 80's fighters! Sugar Ray Leonard could become a heavyweight and beat these guys! Soon the big fights will only be 10 rounds, then 8, then 6, then whats the point??? The heavyweights suck, and we need the 15 rounders back NOW!!! What do you think?
 

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It really bugs me that title fights and or big fights arent 15 rounds anymore. Boxing is becoming less and less dangerous/exciting. When it was 15 rounds, the only way you could get a draw was if someone got knocked down or fouled a couple times. But now there are lots of draws. It is also annoying with all of the clinching, all it is is hit two times and clinch, hit two times and clinch (in the heavyweights at least). Its annoying. Boxing is starting to lose pazaz because of it. Fighters go into the fights unprepared, and fat (again at least in the heavyweights). If the 15 round title/big fights were back maybe the havyweights would actualy train and get into shape!!! They are slow, basicly weak compared to the 30's, 40's, 50's 60's, 70's and 80's fighters! Sugar Ray Leonard could become a heavyweight and beat these guys! Soon the big fights will only be 10 rounds, then 8, then 6, then whats the point??? The heavyweights suck, and we need the 15 rounders back NOW!!! What do you think?
Would it be a fair comment in saying that Boxers... especially Heavyweights... aren't really that fit anymore? That's why there are fewer rounds nowadays and there will be even less sooner or later... because The Boxers... no matter who they are... can't keep up! Back in the day... Sugar Ray Robinson could box 15 rounds just like that!!!
 

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15 rounds wont slim down the bums and fat asses.If we go to 15 rounds would that make ppv more? 15 round would make a boring fight even worse.The bottom line is protecting the fighter,they usually will not quit because of their hearts,but 15 can put a very tired or weak guy in a dangerous position.I think 12 is fine,in my opn.
 

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15 rounds wont slim down the bums and fat asses.If we go to 15 rounds would that make ppv more? 15 round would make a boring fight even worse.The bottom line is protecting the fighter,they usually will not quit because of their hearts,but 15 can put a very tired or weak guy in a dangerous position.I think 12 is fine,in my opn.
Well maybe 15 rounds would acctualy make them work out more and diet correctly. Lets face it the most of the heavyweight are fat, and out of shape only fit to go 4-5 good rounds. Back to the early 80's and before the fighters were hardly ever fat, and could go 20 rounds if they had to. Now the fighters can barley go 10 which is pittiful.
 

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I agree that there are a lot of fat asses out there but, for the one who are serious about their careers and fighting skill there would be no difference between training for 12 or 15. My point is the safety factor of fatigue after the 13,14 and 15,.This would hurt a guy like Arturo Gatti .I do think there should be additional rounds only in a draw situation.
 

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If the fighters of the early 80's and before could handle it, why not this day in age?
 

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If the fighters of the early 80's and before could handle it, why not this day in age?

I agree. there are those that say the athletes (which includes fighters) are bigger better and etc,well then let them do it especially If it's for the undisputed championship.
 

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I agree with both sides buy say lets leave it at 12 rounds.

I would like to see the other rounds changed. No even # rounds on the short fights. How about 3 rounders instead of 4. To many young fighters get a draw. Its easy to give each guy 2 rounds & make it a draw. I would like to see 3, 5, 8 ,10 & 12 rounders.
 

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The real reason for the move from 15 Rounds to just 12 Rounds was TV. I know that the Boxing Orgs SAID that it was for Safety Reasons and was a reaction to the Ray Mancini-Do Kou Kim and Lupe Pintor-Johnny Owen fights that happened within a short time of each other and were both late round KO's that ended in deaths. But history showed that those late round fatalities were really rare,the majority of Ring Deaths happened in early rounds and were more a case of mismatches than late round fatigue.

The real reason that I mentioned with regard to TV? At the time in the early Eighties,Boxing was a regular feature on Network TV(ABC,CBS,and NBC). A 12 Round fight fits PERFECTLY into a one hour time slot. You can have five mins or so for Into, then 47 mins for a fight(12 rounds of three mins. and 11 one minute breaks between rounds)and then come back for the decision and maybe a short two min interview with the winner before signing off. The 15 Round distance meant the Networks had to set aside at least a 90 minute time slot....and if there was a KO in like Round 2 or something,then they'd have all kinds of time to kill and also advertisers that might not be too thrilled at having commercials long after the fight was already over. The Orgs played along with the Networks and said they were shortening the distance for Safety,but I never bought it.
 

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The real reason for the move from 15 Rounds to just 12 Rounds was TV. I know that the Boxing Orgs SAID that it was for Safety Reasons and was a reaction to the Ray Mancini-Do Kou Kim and Lupe Pintor-Johnny Owen fights that happened within a short time of each other and were both late round KO's that ended in deaths. But history showed that those late round fatalities were really rare,the majority of Ring Deaths happened in early rounds and were more a case of mismatches than late round fatigue.

The real reason that I mentioned with regard to TV? At the time in the early Eighties,Boxing was a regular feature on Network TV(ABC,CBS,and NBC). A 12 Round fight fits PERFECTLY into a one hour time slot. You can have five mins or so for Into, then 47 mins for a fight(12 rounds of three mins. and 11 one minute breaks between rounds)and then come back for the decision and maybe a short two min interview with the winner before signing off. The 15 Round distance meant the Networks had to set aside at least a 90 minute time slot....and if there was a KO in like Round 2 or something,then they'd have all kinds of time to kill and also advertisers that might not be too thrilled at having commercials long after the fight was already over. The Orgs played along with the Networks and said they were shortening the distance for Safety,but I never bought it.
You are probably right, it was about money, and advertizement (which has to do with money), and there own good. Max Baer killed 2 guys in round 1. The one guy I don't really count because he got jabbed and fell over dead. Also if so many guys were getting killed in the later rounds, the ref should have done a better job judging when to stop it.
 

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the 15 rounder's sorted the men from the boy's ali v frazier perfect egsample with joe unable to continue after 14. so yes.
 

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the 15 rounder's sorted the men from the boy's ali v frazier perfect egsample with joe unable to continue after 14. so yes.

Ali found himself on his butt in the 15th in the first fight.That was the frosting on the cake for Fraziers win.
Fraziers style of fighting was not one for longevity.He took more punches then he really had to.
 

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I think it should stay at 12 and then for the bigger matches go to 15. It wouldn't surprise me at all that television had a hand in changing the amount of rounds either.
 

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Frazier wanted to continue, his corner said no. Ali wasn't doing so well in the end either. They both had to be lifted off of the stools afterwards.
 
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