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FREDDIE ROACH / BOB ARUM: MEDIA CONFERENCE CALL TRANSCRIPT
Raymundo Dioses: Where does Manny rank in other fighters you’re trained? Is he the greatest fighter you’ve trained?

Freddie Roach: Maybe. You know, James Toney is hard to beat. He’s a natural fighter, a great boxer. You know, (unintelligible) - I’ve had the opportunity to work with a lot of great fighters.

But Manny’s my best work I feel. I’ve had Manny from where he was kind of a raw, fast, hard-punching kid when he came in. Now he’s a much better fighter and more technical and we’ve spent a lot of time - we’ve very close to each other.

Manny’s my favorite figure for sure. I’ve worked with a lot of great guys. It’s just been - I’ve been fortunate to work with guys like James Toney and Mike Tyson and those type of guys.

But Manny definitely is the hardest worker I’ve ever worked with and that shows.

Roach says King James reigns as most talented
Trainer Freddie Roach is working with the best fighter pound-for-pound in the world, at least in the opinion of most boxing experts.

So can we assume that Manny Pacquiao is also the most talented fighter he’s trained? No.

The most naturally gifted fighter ever to hit Roach’s mitts, he said, was James Toney, the former world champion in three weight classes who never had a worth ethic to match his God-given ability.

“Toney is the most natural fighter I’ve ever seen,” said Roach, who has been a trainer for almost 20 years. “When he says, ‘All you mother------- have to train but I was born to fight,’ he meant it. The way he moved, the vision he had, to see everything coming at him, he was just so gifted.

“He’s getting older now and getting hit more than ever. At one time, though, he’d sit on the ropes and make you miss 100 punches and come back with counter shots. It was something to watch.”

Toney just didn’t want to work and battled weight problems as a result, which saddens Roach.

“He had no discipline,” Roach said. “If he had discipline, he could’ve been heavyweight champion of the world and dominated the division. It just didn’t turn out that way. I’m not sure why he didn’t get in shape and stay healthy. I guess some guys with that kind of talent just take it for granted.

“Then, all of sudden, you realize it’s over.”

It’s not quite over for a still-competitive Toney, now 40. He faces Tony Thompson in a heavyweight bout on Dec. 12 in Cabazon, Calif.

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Los Angeles, CA – On December 13, 2008, a pair of prominent top heavyweight world title contenders will square off against each other with everything on the line, including their professional future at Morongo Casino Resort & Spa. The winner of Toney vs. Thompson, ‘Now or Never,’ emerges as the next major challenger to the Klitschko brothers, the reigning Heavyweight Champions.

In addition, the only-Olympic Gold Medalist for the United States in the past 12 years, Andre “SOG” Ward, will defend his NABO Super Middleweight Championship.

“Our sport along with the fans, want compelling bouts. In the Toney-Thompson fight, we’ve put together two fighters that are world ranked, battling against each other, and the winner guaranteed to being closer to fighting again for the most coveted title in sports – World Heavyweight Champion. This could not have been done without the fighters taking up the challenge,” promoter Dan Goossen exclaimed in making the announcement that “James ‘Lights Out’ Toney (70-6-3, 43 KOs), a living legend and future first ballot Hall of Famer, will be taking on another highly respected and top heavyweight contender in Tony ‘The Tiger’ Thompson, (31-2, 19 KOs).

“Adding Ward to the card makes this a debut blockbuster event for Goossen Tutor at California’s beautiful and prestigious Morongo Casino Resort & Spa in Cabazon.”

Toney, the former multi-division champion and two-time “Fighter of the Year,” will go toe-to-toe with Thompson for the IBA World Heavyweight Championship in the main event of the featured televised bout which will air live on VERSUS at 9 PM ET.

Never lost for words or shy about delivering verbal power shots, Toney held nothing back in forecasting the outcome of this fight.

"Tony Thompson is gonna be the victim,” insisted the Ann Arbor, Michigan native now living in Los Angeles, California. “I'll come out like I did against Hasim Rahman in the rematch (back in July). Rahman quit on his stool. I'm ready to go. I'll fight 'em all. I'll fight the Russian giants. Come December 13, I will definitely be in Thompson’s face and his lights will be turned out.

“I'm the people's champ because I fight everybody and they know it,” Toney continued. “Everyone saw what I did to Sam Peter in our first fight. I whooped him good and just did the same thing to Rahman. Thompson is the next one I'll expose. It took Klitschko 11 rounds to get him and I'm going to knock him out right onto Dan Goossen’s lap a lot sooner than that."

Hailing from our nation’s capital, Silver Spring, Maryland-born Tony Thompson is making his first appearance since travelling to Germany back in July when he held his own in going eleven tough rounds against IBF and WBO World Heavyweight Champion Wladimir Klitschko. It was the first loss in eight years for the veteran southpaw, after a competitive back-and-forth fight against the champion. Some thought that fight might be his one chance of winning a world heavyweight belt. But Thompson knew his future title fight hopes got a big boost with his gutsy and competitive performance against Klitschko.

"I am very excited the fight is happening with Toney. A win against someone at that level pushes me right back into a title fight," Thompson said. At 6-6, 250 lbs., Thompson will have a decided height and weight advantage over Toney, who stands at 5-11 and weighs in the 230-pound range. "He's very crafty, but doesn’t have the strength to keep me off of him. He will have trouble with my size and power and especially the experience I gained in my fight with Klitschko. This is a must win for me and whatever it takes to get it done is what I’ll be prepared to do. And I will get it done."

“These are the type of events we enjoy bringing to the fans, big names in big fights;” Goossen pointed out, “in the Toney-Thompson fight, the winner is closer to a Heavyweight Championship, and the loser goes home. A 50/50 fight with everything on the line is just what the fans want to see.”

The second featured televised bout will showcase the #4 WBO and #5 WBC top rated Super Middleweight Contender Ward defending his belt for the first time. The Oakland, California native – who captured the NABO title by stopping former Dominican Olympian Jerson Ravelo last June in Grand Cayman -- will be returning to action for the first time since that bout and undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery due to a non-boxing injury.

Ward is on track — if not destined — to follow in the footsteps of the previous two boxers to become America’s only Gold Medalists at their respective Olympic Games. Oscar de la Hoya did the honors at the 1992 Barcelona Olympics in the lightweight division and went on to win world championships as a professional in multiple weight classes. And David Reid won Gold in the light middleweight division in Atlanta in 1996. Guided by Dan Goossen, Reid went on to win the WBA World Light Middleweight crown in just his 10th professional fight in March 1999.

“My knee feels great and is not an issue and I am anxious to get back into the ring to defend my NABO title,” Ward stated. “A win puts me a few more rungs up the ladder toward my goal of becoming a world champion. It’s another step in the process.”

Ward’s dream of becoming a world champion professional boxer is targeted for 2009.

“When this breath of fresh air star enters the ring, the national media takes notice and, at 16-0, 11 KOs, Ward is knocking on the door to the world championship,” Goossen observed.

On December 13, Toney boldly predicts his time is ‘Now,’ while a confident Thompson responds ‘Never!’

‘Now or Never’ is promoted by Goossen Tutor Promotions and will air live on VERSUS.

Doors open at 4 PM PT; first non-televised bout at 4:30 PM PT. The live VERSUS telecast begins at 9PM ET/6 PM PT.
 

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I'm one of the biggest Toney fans, so seldom will I complain when I'm given an opportunity to witness his in-ring wizardry, but a fight against Thompson doesn't do a lot for me. Thompson gave Klitschko a pretty tough defense and he seems like a really nice guy, but I wish Toney had a more meaningful fight.
 

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I'm one of the biggest Toney fans, so seldom will I complain when I'm given an opportunity to witness his in-ring wizardry, but a fight against Thompson doesn't do a lot for me. Thompson gave Klitschko a pretty tough defense and he seems like a really nice guy, but I wish Toney had a more meaningful fight.
It's an opportunity to get his name back in the top 10 heavyweights. Stylistically, he's a nightmare for every heavyweight out there, so they won't face him unless they're forced too or he's highly ranked with a payday. Beating Thompson gets him into a position where he either gets another title shot or an eliminator.
 

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I believe natural talents and intangibles of James Toney and Roy Jones athletic abillities = the greatest pound for pound fighter of all time, those are the two best fighters of our generation both fought and won belts at 4 different weight divisions and both are first ballot hall of famers:thumbsup:
 

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wow chin of steve collins.

anyway i think toney will get more recognition when he retires. atm there are stars out there above him but when we stay back and look at the past, toney will be much more respected.
 

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Potentially any crackhead in the street or alcoholic begging you for change could have been the president of the US or a brain surgeon etc.....

Not sure what the point of all these could-a, should-a, would-a posts are about?

I had as much chance of becoming a legend of boxing as James Toney in that we were once both blank canvases, just like everyone else.

To be a great in boxing, discipline is a pre-requisite, just as reliability is for a car.

Saying a boxer just lacked discipline otherwise they would have been a great is like saying a car would have been great if it didn't conk out on you all the time.......just pointless.

LOOKING INTO THE DISTANCE in soft focused light.....

That plane would have been iconic if it had an engine......that football player would have been the best in the world if only he had the attribute of intelligent decision making...............gravel would make the best food if only it could be metabolised and energy derived from it.......cats would surely make the greatest of acrobats if only they would train properly.......Tigers might be the greatest banjo players but they just wont listen to me and take up the instrument....

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If you had an infinite number of James Toneys and placed them in an infinite number of gyms would you get the greatest ever boxer or just an awful lot of banned substances?

And if James Toney becomes the greatest boxer of all time in the misguided minds of some posters on this forum do they they make a sound or is it like a tree falling over in a forrest with nobody there...
 

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Potentially any crackhead in the street or alcoholic begging you for change could have been the president of the US or a brain surgeon etc.....

Not sure what the point of all these could-a, should-a, would-a posts are about?

I had as much chance of becoming a legend of boxing as James Toney in that we were once both blank canvases, just like everyone else.

To be a great in boxing, discipline is a pre-requisite, just as reliability is for a car.

Saying a boxer just lacked discipline otherwise they would have been a great is like saying a car would have been great if it didn't conk out on you all the time.......just pointless.

LOOKING INTO THE DISTANCE in soft focused light.....

That plane would have been iconic if it had an engine......that football player would have been the best in the world if only he had the attribute of intelligent decision making...............gravel would make the best food if only it could be metabolised and energy derived from it.......cats would surely make the greatest of acrobats if only they would train properly.......Tigers might be the greatest banjo players but they just wont listen to me and take up the instrument....

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If you had an infinite number of James Toneys and placed them in an infinite number of gyms would you get the greatest ever boxer or just an awful lot of banned substances?

And if James Toney becomes the greatest boxer of all time in the misguided minds of some posters on this forum do they they make a sound or is it like a tree falling over in a forrest with nobody there...
??? Don't know what that first statement is all about but that might be true from where you're from...but not here. :thumbsup:

James Toney is a legend and an all-time great. Not too many people alive today can say that. Yes he lacked discipline at times but the banned substances are being made too much of a big deal. Especially the last one...why do you think he didn't serve the entire suspension? Those episodes never took away from his greatness. When he enters the ring 100% he's unbeatable...that's what makes him great. Does the obese versions of James Toney get annoying? Yes it does but the fact is you can love or hate him...he is what boxing is all about(besides the fat part).
 

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??? Don't know what that first statement is all about but that might be true from where you're from...but not here. :thumbsup:

James Toney is a legend and an all-time great. Not too many people alive today can say that.
As for the first statement you were better informed after it, but none the wiser as you clearly didn't understand it.

I think that we can take it as a given that dead people can't saying anything, so your caveat is not really required in the above quoted statement.

James Toney might say he is a legend and an all-time-great, but James Blunt might say the same thing in reference to music. I might say that Frank Lampard has the finest soul voice since Sam Cooke but it doesn't make it true.

James Toney is neither a legend nor an ATG and time will prove my statement to be true.
 
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wow chin of steve collins.

anyway i think toney will get more recognition when he retires. atm there are stars out there above him but when we stay back and look at the past, toney will be much more respected.
his chin was made of concrete
 

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No way that fragile, much tougher mate :)

If I was going to make the perfect Roach I would start with 3 rizla papers hehe.

No seriously if I was going to make the perfect trainer I would make sure they didn't have Roach's mouth.

This is the same guy who voiced concerns about what Pavlik would do to Hopkins and told Hopkins to retire.

I put any statement he makes about James Toney being a top fighter in that context.

Great trainer but talks some ****.
 

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No way that fragile, much tougher mate :)

If I was going to make the perfect Roach I would start with 3 rizla papers hehe.

No seriously if I was going to make the perfect trainer I would make sure they didn't have Roach's mouth.

This is the same guy who voiced concerns about what Pavlik would do to Hopkins and told Hopkins to retire.

I put any statement he makes about James Toney being a top fighter in that context.

Great trainer but talks some ****.
And the same thing about Vazquez after the first Marquez fight. No offense, but your opinion on Toney is about as good as CJ's on Floyd.

Toney's talent is undeniable, he's been a great boxer regardless of his poor eating and training habits, that's a testament to his abundant natural talent. 70+ wins against World class competition through 5 weight divisions in itself is astounding. Staying competitive 40-80 pounds from where he started his professional career at an advanced boxing age after 20 years in the sport. He's great whether you accept it or not, a first ballot Hall of Fame whether you like it or not, and an ATG with room to move up, but not down, in the ranks depending on what he does in the short time left before his retirement.
 

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And the same thing about Vazquez after the first Marquez fight. No offense, but your opinion on Toney is about as good as CJ's on Floyd.

Toney's talent is undeniable, he's been a great boxer regardless of his poor eating and training habits, that's a testament to his abundant natural talent. 70+ wins against World class competition through 5 weight divisions in itself is astounding. Staying competitive 40-80 pounds from where he started his professional career at an advanced boxing age after 20 years in the sport. He's great whether you accept it or not, a first ballot Hall of Fame whether you like it or not
Toney beat some good fighters no doubt about that, he took on more cans than anyone though.
 

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Toney beat some good fighters no doubt about that, he took on more cans than anyone though.
He had more fights than anyone, so of course he's gonna fight more cans. I doubt he fought more cans than anyone, I'd give that distinction to one of the fighters with 100-300 fights from before. He's a throwback in that aspect, fighting a lot of stay busy and warm up fights. Chavez Sr. fought a ton of those. Today it's looked at as fighting bums, but you have to take into account that these guys fought 4,5,6,7 times a year. If fighters did this now (especially the stars) boxing would be way more popular and they would have a lot more money.
 

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James Toney is a legend on this forum and a possible Hall of Famer....with the HOF being decided upon by the US boxing press.

James Toney is NOT a legend or ATG anywhere outside of the US.

It is like US football teams winning the superbowl and claiming to be world champions......just craaap :)

US boxing and US boxers are UNDISPUTEDLY THE most widely watched in the world, but nobody beyond the US gives atoss about him. In no other country is he spoken about or known as anything.

James Toney will NEVER be a legend or ATG like Hagler, Hearns, SRR, SRL, ALi, Tyson etc....

You can say what you like but he will NEVER mean **** anywhere outside the US and for quite a few in the US also. :)
 

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James Toney is a legend on this forum and a possible Hall of Famer....with the HOF being decided upon by the US boxing press.

James Toney is NOT a legend or ATG anywhere outside of the US.

It is like US football teams winning the superbowl and claiming to be world champions......just craaap :)

US boxing and US boxers are UNDISPUTEDLY THE most widely watched in the world, but nobody beyond the US gives atoss about him. In no other country is he spoken about or known as anything.

James Toney will NEVER be a legend or ATG like Hagler, Hearns, SRR, SRL, ALi, Tyson etc....

You can say what you like but he will NEVER mean **** anywhere outside the US and for quite a few in the US also. :)
I doubt you polled the opinions of everyone outside of the US. To attain Hagler, SRR, SRL, Ali, Tyson, etc. ATG status is the pinnacle in boxing, few reach it, Toney probably isn't one of them. Legend status is hard to define, so I don't throw it around much. As far as ATG status goes, Toney has achieved that on a Worldly basis because boxing is performed on a World stage with no boundaries. When he retires, I'm confident he will be on most-all boxing historians lists, but there will always be that what if questions with him like every other boxer in the history of the world.
 

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And the same thing about Vazquez after the first Marquez fight. No offense, but your opinion on Toney is about as good as CJ's on Floyd.

Toney's talent is undeniable, he's been a great boxer regardless of his poor eating and training habits, that's a testament to his abundant natural talent. 70+ wins against World class competition through 5 weight divisions in itself is astounding. Staying competitive 40-80 pounds from where he started his professional career at an advanced boxing age after 20 years in the sport. He's great whether you accept it or not, a first ballot Hall of Fame whether you like it or not, and an ATG with room to move up, but not down, in the ranks depending on what he does in the short time left before his retirement.

We all have opinions they all bear equal weight. My opinion of thee prima donna is just that my own personal opinion. Just because you are now a staff member does not mean you can talk down to posters
For all your bragging I'll pit by boxing knowledge against yours any day OK
 

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I doubt you polled the opinions of everyone outside of the US. To attain Hagler, SRR, SRL, Ali, Tyson, etc. ATG status is the pinnacle in boxing, few reach it, Toney probably isn't one of them. Legend status is hard to define, so I don't throw it around much. As far as ATG status goes, Toney has achieved that on a Worldly basis because boxing is performed on a World stage with no boundaries. When he retires, I'm confident he will be on most-all boxing historians lists, but there will always be that what if questions with him like every other boxer in the history of the world.

He's right, Toney is mostly only known in the states. The average man on the street over here would know who Hagler or SRL or even Hopkins but menssion James Toney and nobody really gives a toss.
 

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We all have opinions they all bear equal weight. My opinion of thee prima donna is just that my own personal opinion. Just because you are now a staff member does not mean you can talk down to posters
For all your bragging I'll pit by boxing knowledge against yours any day OK
C.J KO1. :D
 

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Also ATG and legend are thrown around phrases that are FAR too often used to talk about modern fighters.

To be fair the passage of time and world wide recognition are what makes you an ATG and legend.

It isn't what people band about on websites, it isn't what one countries fans think and it isn't even the boxing press elite in one or two boxing meccas.......

Time and world wide recognition as a boxing great across the globe....that is what defines ATG and legend.

That is what makes Joe Louis and Marciano ATG and legends, same goes for Hagler, SRR, SRL, Tommy Hearns, Lennox Lewis, Jake Lamotta, Oscar de la Hoya......probably Hopkins given a bit of time for the dust to settle

I could go on....

James Toney will NEVER be an ATG or Legend of boxing.
 
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