[pitojenn]

Tito's time is over, and he should stay away from the ring :dunno:. Let Cotto take over the reigns, baton, crown, gloves from now on. He IS on his way to becoming the new best "pound for pound" :thumbsup:. That said; I wonder why it is that people are so quick to forget Trinidad's accomplishments with the loss to a runner ? Granted, he did lose to Roy Jones Jr., but how many times has he been knocked out [not down]? And despite that loss, everyone knew Roy was preparing to run as he normally does. I refuse to give credit where credit is not due, since the sport is called BOXING, not RUNNING. In his day Roy was something to brag a little about, despite his fast feet, glass jaw and light as feathers hands. But the day he was knocked OUT on his butt by some unknown(s), that was the day he lost all credit. Antonio Tarver was NO ONE until he knocked Jones on his behind; and so was Glen Johnson. Who'd heard of either fighter until they each embarassingly terminated Roy, ["honestly now"]. Trinidad definitely should've stayed walking off into the sunset and into the hall of fame with what he had. Fortunately this one has absolutely given Roy the impression that he can return and stay to fight the best today and he could be in BIG trouble for future fights [if in fact he does stay]. He had no chin a few months ago and he has no chin now, so until he's again reminded of the eerie, dazed feeling of being knocked out he'll continue to boast. Let him [Roy] try the clown-dancing in front of someone like Joe Calzaghe: same fast feet, light hands, but without the questionable chin [at least yet]. Message for RJJ]; When he's again sitting [or laying] on the canvas, watching the birdies fly by and wondering "what am I doing on my butt", he'll again be setting the bed for the long good night/retirement. [Although I make no apology for my loyalty to P. Rican and other excellent Fighters who give the sport a great name], I do apologize for the anti-Jones rants, but it burns me that in a sport where one is supposed to fight, people like Roy Jones boast of being fighters, when in fact they're more like mediocre marathoners within a 15 to 20 ft box. Until the next time Roy gets the knock out with his face as opposed to his gloved fists. "Take care and talk to ya'll tomorrow guys" ...

 

[Captainobvious]

Did you happen to "see" the fight last night...? Roy walked for the first 3 rounds which is why he lost those rounds. After that all the walking he did was straight at Tito. Tito cannot fight going backwards and that exactly what Roy figured out in the 4th round. Roy doesn't stand stiff in front of opponents like Tito does becuase thats not his strength. He's not a blood and guts brawler he's a slick speed boxer. Roy has always been a flashy entertainer, so last nights fight I didnt expect to be any diferent and neither should you. You know he's going to dance around occasionally during a fight because thats just Roy.
I agree that Tito should have stayed retired, and that Cotto is the new Puerto Rican superstar. As long as Cotto doesnt fight Floyd, he will probably get the P4P status or at least "close" to it down the road.

 

[Captainobvious]

Oh, and welcome to the forum, I think this is the first post of yours I've seen.

We should have some good Cotto action to talk about this year bro!

 

[Brutus]

I agree with Captain Jones was actually the aggressive one most of the fight. Tito was a good fighter back in the day but his humiliating losses against Hopkins, Winky and Jones should send him off to the sunset.

And yeah you cant expect Jones not to jump around and do the things you do its just not his style.

 

[calzaghefella]

What a pitty that Jones at his peak refused to fight Nigel Benn even when Benn offered to fight Jones in the US for nothing.

Nigel Benn would have caught and not Jones's head off.

Anyone doubt it watch Benn v McClennan.

All this talk that Jones was great at his peak is rubbish...the best fighters out there at the time were in the UK and he wouldn't fight any of them.

Jones the ducker...

 

[BigDigga]

benn offered to fight him the u.s. for nothing? i don't remember that.

 

[Brutus]

Altough Benn, Eubank and Watson were good, Jones would had made them look stupid. Benn vs McClennan was a close fight btw, altough the fight ended the way it did that fight was close and Jones had 10x the boxing skills Mclellan had and at smw Jones had powerful punches and combination. Imo Benn would not have made it out of the first 5 rds against Jones and Eubank would not make it do a decision.

From the years 1993-2001 imo Jones was unbeatable imo atleast by the competition alive at that time, but yeah the british trio had imo no chance of beating him.

 

[SugarShane]

Roy whipped Tito. That is that.

 

[TommyGunn]

Altough Benn, Eubank and Watson were good, Jones would had made them look stupid. Benn vs McClennan was a close fight btw, altough the fight ended the way it did that fight was close and Jones had 10x the boxing skills Mclellan had and at smw Jones had powerful punches and combination. Imo Benn would not have made it out of the first 5 rds against Jones and Eubank would not make it do a decision.

From the years 1993-2001 imo Jones was unbeatable imo atleast by the competition alive at that time, but yeah the british trio had imo no chance of beating him.

the feeling in america was mccllelan was the better fighter out of him and jones, i spoke with a very knowledgable guy on another forum who has been around g-man and manny when g-man was at the kronk and the he asured me the general feeling was that mcclellan would have iced jones.

on that id give benn a very good chance against roy.

 

[BigDigga]

i think the perception of mcclellan beating jones was always based on the fact he beat him in the amatuers. we all know you can't say someone would beat somebody again because they beat them in the amatuers previously. cotto, pavlik, and tarver immediately come to mind of fighters who beat their amatuer conquerors.

 

[TommyGunn]

i think the perception of mcclellan beating jones was always based on the fact he beat him in the amatuers. we all know you can't say someone would beat somebody again because they beat them in the amatuers previously. cotto, pavlik, and tarver immediately come to mind of fighters who beat their amatuer conquerors.

Maybe so mark but both Benn and g-man were animals in the ring and id say thats what it would have took to beat Roy while primed.

Eubank wouldn't have beat him.

 

[BigDigga]

i agree for the most part. the key is not to be intimidated going into the match. i think that was the main reason why tarver was able to beat roy. having fought roy well in the amatuers made roy less intimidating in his eyes methinks.

 

[LeedsLad]

Benn, Watson, Mclellan, Eubank... all of them are not even on RJJ's level. He was on a level of his own in the 90s.

 

[calzaghefella]

Benn, Watson, Mclellan, Eubank... all of them are not even on RJJ's level. He was on a level of his own in the 90s.

So why did he duck Nigel Benn, when Benn said he would fight Jones for nothing in his own backyard?

And what makes you say Jones was better than McCllelan?

Everyone stateside was saying McClellan was p4p the hardest puncher in the world....why Jones better?

Jones specialised in fighting bums and Champions mostly past their sell by date.

He also failed to unify the belts at middle or super middle and only in fact held the IBF titles in his suposed prime.

Why didn't he fight Benn in his prime?

why not McCllelan in his prime?

Why not Eubank in his prime?

Why not Steve Collins in his prime?

Why not Watson in his prime?

Jones hot doged his way through chumps and past it champs..

He fought a very limited number of quility fighters.

He would have got knocked spark out Nigel Benn who is a proper legend, a fighter that never ducked anyone!!! but Jones sure as hell ducked Benn.

Go back view the Benn McCllenlan figh and come back and seriously tell me he was fit to lick the boots of either of thoughs super vicious fighters.

Yea Jones the class in the 90s by avoiding the whole UK scene

 

[calzaghefella]

From the years 1993-2001 imo Jones was unbeatable.... the british trio had imo no chance of beating him.

Well when Nigel Benn offers to waive any fee to fight Jones in America at his venue of choice and got turned down....yea mate I see your point.

None of the UK fighters would have stood a chance...more chance in knocking Stephan Hawking out of a ring

Nigel Benn was also a multiple weight world champion by the way and he was WBC super middleweight champion for years and put it on the line against Eubank...who he beat but they scored it a draw....still at least it put his ballz on the line which can be rarely said about Jones.

Nigel Benn had a cracking chin as can be seen in the fights aganst Eubank, and especially McCllelan....Jones has a crap chin.

If people think that Jones would not have been hit at some point by Benn then they are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Benn could take punishment big time and big time deal it out. Benn hit almost if not as hard as Mccllelan did. Jone would have got tagged and he would have been out...plain and simple. Jones never fought anyone as dangerous as Benn.

Bare in mind Benn got to and dropped Eubank, one of the best defensive fighters in the 90s and one with a rock solid chin.

Jones would have got hit and he would not have survived!!

 

[windowguy]

Jones always made poor choices in his fights how many firemen,cops,and other civil service guys did he beat? Roy was never really tested and he was he got K.O ed those are the facts.And the reason he was never a big star is because his style is boring he should have knocked out Tito Saturday but preferd to be safe and carry him in the fight.I am glad I didn't buy it I watched at a pub here in town.

 

[SugarShane]

I have to agree for the most part about Jones, but I have always found his fights highly exciting for the most part. I attribute that to his spectacular athletic ablility though. He has always been very interesting to me. I thought he could have definitely stopped Tito if he would have just let his hands go, but that is and never has been his forte. You can't really blame him for that, but I understand why people don't like it.

 

[Brutus]

So why did he duck Nigel Benn, when Benn said he would fight Jones for nothing in his own backyard?

And what makes you say Jones was better than McCllelan?

Everyone stateside was saying McClellan was p4p the hardest puncher in the world....why Jones better?

Jones specialised in fighting bums and Champions mostly past their sell by date.

He also failed to unify the belts at middle or super middle and only in fact held the IBF titles in his suposed prime.

Why didn't he fight Benn in his prime?

why not McCllelan in his prime?

Why not Eubank in his prime?

Why not Steve Collins in his prime?

Why not Watson in his prime?

Jones hot doged his way through chumps and past it champs..

He fought a very limited number of quility fighters.

He would have got knocked spark out Nigel Benn who is a proper legend, a fighter that never ducked anyone!!! but Jones sure as hell ducked Benn.

Go back view the Benn McCllenlan figh and come back and seriously tell me he was fit to lick the boots of either of thoughs super vicious fighters.

Yea Jones the class in the 90s by avoiding the whole UK scene

1) His boxing skills were much, much, much better thatn McClellan altough Jones did not have the same power he also had awesome power at smw.

2) Read point 1)

3) He fought James Toney and Bernard Hopkins who both are considered to be better than any of the british trio.

4) Well most people could say the same about Joe Calzaghe he just held the WBO belt in his prime, why not go for the other one? Maby their are just happy with their belt

5) You have to ask Roy that question, but that does not change the fact that he would smoke Benn.

6) Gerald McClellan did not really become a name before he took out Julian Jackson and by that time he was at MW and Jones at smw, at his first fight moving up to smw( the weight Jones was currently at) he got injured and ended up in a weelchair so imo thats a pretty good reason.

7,8,9)As for Eubank after fighting Watson Eubank really was damaged and had lost that killer instinct imo and i doubt he ever really wanted the Jones fight. Watson was in a weelchair so that really does not make sense to fight him.

Again maby Jones did duck Benn but Jones skill and speed would have been way too much for Benn and the fight would be a complete blowout, just go download some Jones fights and see how many times he gets hit. Then go download Benn fights and see how many times he gets hit, yup Benn does get hit ALOT!!!! and why would the man with one of the fastest hands of all time? and problaby the fastest reflexes of all time not be able to hit that chin at will?

 

[SugarShane]

Fantastic post Brutus!!!

 

[Megarodon]

Did you happen to "see" the fight last night...? Roy walked for the first 3 rounds which is why he lost those rounds. After that all the walking he did was straight at Tito. Tito cannot fight going backwards and that exactly what Roy figured out in the 4th round. Roy doesn't stand stiff in front of opponents like Tito does becuase thats not his strength. He's not a blood and guts brawler he's a slick speed boxer. Roy has always been a flashy entertainer, so last nights fight I didnt expect to be any diferent and neither should you. You know he's going to dance around occasionally during a fight because thats just Roy.
I agree that Tito should have stayed retired, and that Cotto is the new Puerto Rican superstar. As long as Cotto doesnt fight Floyd, he will probably get the P4P status or at least "close" to it down the road.

Damm right, Tito just cant punch with power when moving backwards, ROy figured it out and then the fight turned one sided...
Mayweather will stay on the top of the p4p list until he retires/get beaten, or until Cotto cleans up the division and beats sopmeone like dlh (wich would take a long time)...