Tyson vs Marciano

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tyson

Discussion Starter · Dec 9, 2006

Mike Tyson vs Rocky marciano.

I no many fight fans will disagree with my opinion on this dream fight but i think rockys style was made for tyson. A prime iron mikes bobing and weaving, Ducking and unreal conbinations of frightening power could have made this fight very difficult. Marciano had a great chin but was dropped in his career. Even though he was never beat any fighter is beatable.I cant see why Iron Mike couldnt have dropped him and pick up a ko win

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hhascup

· #2 · Dec 9, 2006

tyson said:
Mike Tyson vs Rocky marciano.

I no many fight fans will disagree with my opinion on this dream fight but i think rockys style was made for tyson. A prime iron mikes bobing and weaving, Ducking and unreal conbinations of frightening power could have made this fight very difficult. Marciano had a great chin but was dropped in his career. Even though he was never beat any fighter is beatable.I cant see why Iron Mike couldnt have dropped him and pick up a ko win

A lot of people would agree with you, BUT the longer the bout would go, the better chance Rock would have. The way I see it the 1st 4 or 5 rounds would be Tyson's, and if he didn't put Rocky away or at least bang him up some, Rocky would take control.

I am not saying that Tyson wouldn't, I am just saying that Tyson would have to get to Rocky early to come out on top.

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JCC

· #3 · Dec 9, 2006

I like what Lou Duvan had to say ... I got alot of respect for him and as a fight trainer too, he's one of the greats ... none better today in my opinion.

This is what he said a few years ago:

For a while they tried to put Mike Tyson on the same level as Rocky Marciano; but it could never happen. When Rocky was in there he didn't just have the punch; he had the heart and the will to win that not Tyson or any of of the others could ever come close to matching.

Now I want to say this that will confirm what Lou Duvan said about Mike Tyson.

I came to notice in fights that whenever Tyson took a hard punch he would back out and stop throwing combinations punches and start throwing one punch at time. As for Rocky he never backed off, never.

I see Mike Tyson as being the best at the time he was there and when he was there. But after he got Ko'd by James Douglas in 1990 ... Tyson was never really the same after that and on this way down the ladder.

But when he was there and at the time he was there ... he was the best and I give him credit for that. But to compare him with Rocky Marciano? I don't think Tyson could have beaten Jersey Joe Walcott or Ezzard Charles ... much less to have beaten Rocky Marciano.

Also I don't think Tyson has been good for boxing's public image either, and I see the guy as being the most poorest sportman in the history of boxing.

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hhascup

· #4 · Dec 10, 2006

JCC said:
I like what Lou Duvan had to say ... I got alot of respect for him and as a fight trainer too, he's one of the greats ... none better today in my opinion.

This is what he said a few years ago:

For a while they tried to put Mike Tyson on the same level as Rocky Marciano; but it could never happen. When Rocky was in there he didn't just have the punch; he had the heart and the will to win that not Tyson or any of of the others could ever come close to matching.

Now I want to say this that will confirm what Lou Duvan said about Mike Tyson.

I came to notice in fights that whenever Tyson took a hard punch he would back out and stop throwing combinations punches and start throwing one punch at time. As for Rocky he never backed off, never.

I see Mike Tyson as being the best at the time he was there and when he was there. But after he got Ko'd by James Douglas in 1990 ... Tyson was never really the same after that and on this way down the ladder.

But when he was there and at the time he was there ... he was the best and I give him credit for that. But to compare him with Rocky Marciano? I don't think Tyson could have beaten Jersey Joe Walcott or Ezzard Charles ... much less to have beaten Rocky Marciano.

Also I don't think Tyson has been good for boxing's public image either, and I see the guy as being the most poorest sportman in the history of boxing.

I really like Lou Duva (not Duvan), but he was a close friend of Rocky's and he always supported him. I know Lou very well, and he will always back up his friends.

Tommy Brooks, who married LOu's daughter Donna, use to train Tyson for a while. He broke off with him several years ago, so their is a connection their.

Your right when you say that when Tyson was hit hard, he would back off. His heart was no where near Rocky's.

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bill1234

· #5 · Dec 10, 2006

tyson said:
Mike Tyson vs Rocky marciano.

I no many fight fans will disagree with my opinion on this dream fight but i think rockys style was made for tyson. A prime iron mikes bobing and weaving, Ducking and unreal conbinations of frightening power could have made this fight very difficult. Marciano had a great chin but was dropped in his career. Even though he was never beat any fighter is beatable.I cant see why Iron Mike couldnt have dropped him and pick up a ko win

Tyson was dropped more, and by people who didn't hit as hard as Marciano in his career, so don't start the chin thing. Tyson would take Marciano in a 5 round fight, but in a 15 rounder Marciano would KO Tyson. Tyson had issues with people who hit hard and didn't back up. Tyson never had the stamina, heart, chin, or guts Marciano had. Marcinao hit harder then Tyson. Tyson's combo's are what KO'd most if his oppenents. Marciano could KO you with a brrage of punches, 1 shot, or just wearing you down.

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JCC

· #6 · Dec 10, 2006 (Edited)

Henry, no one respects fighters and champions and formers world champions more than I do. But as for Mike Tyson, I hate the public image this guy has had. I see it as an embrassment to boxing, and if it isn't it should be.

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hhascup

· #7 · Dec 10, 2006

JC, I too am upset about what Tyson has done and I agree with bill1234, when he says that Tyson had issues with people who hit hard and didn't back up. Tyson never had the stamina, heart, chin, or guts Marciano had. I agree 100%.

When you say the Marcinao hit harder then Tyson, I would repectfully disagree. All people remember about Rocky is the punch that knocked out Walcott in the 13th round. I have all the tapes that they have on Rocky and Tyson.

I say both had a Great punch, and it would be hard to say who had a harder one.

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JCC

· #8 · Dec 10, 2006 (Edited)

Well, Henry. We say this fighter ... has a harder punch .. than this or that fighter. But I really don't know how this can actually be known who is really the hardest puncher.

It's just spectculation is all.

Often people will say a one fighter is a harder puncher than another fighter just because the fighter may have a history of winning more fights by getting the knock out.

Henry, I see no real way to know who is really the harder puncher its just merely speculation and opinions.

But in being you mentioned this ... I'll say this that boxers don't have boxer bodies any more. If we compare heavyweights in more recent times and today with the heavyweights of yesterday in past eras we know this!

Not only do the modern heavyweights not have the physical training discipline of yesterdays heavyweights of past eras. Nor, do they generally train just exactly the same ways either.

For example, there are some fighters training with weights today, and that was unheard in boxing as it had been before. The heavyweights of today are not only not as well-conditioned athletics as boxers as they use to be. But they tend to have musclebound physiques, and they appear in much better physical condition than they really are.

I've kind of gotten off on something else now. But I would only like to just further note that that the more massive and musclebound a fighters body is the quicker his body and muscles will lose oxygen and when that happens in a fight your t-o-a-s-t! If you don't have the stamina your going to get your his butt whooped!

In part, at least this is the reason and can be much the reason that its even all the more harder as to why its hard for heavyweights today to go long rounds compared to the heavyweights in past eras. But going long rounds has always been hard for heavyweights.

Hey, its a good thing that they don't have 15 round fights any more ... for there are a lot of guys in the pros today and most especially in the heavyweights classes that would not be able to go 15 rounds today even with five air tanks on their backs.

Often I'm critical of our sport today in my posts though I really don't mean to be. Its just that I'm old enough to remember the way it was. At least I can say I know the way it was as far back as the 1960's because I was there. I boxed amatuer in those years and I saw the great pro fights of those years.

As for Rocky Marciano ... I was too young to have seen his fights. So all have to go by is what others say about him ... and by watching tapes that I have of what many would consider to be his greatest fights.

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prettyboywho

· #9 · Dec 11, 2006

Tyson ko3 Rocky will get up from 2 knock downs because he has heart but the 3rd knock down in the round will knock him out.

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JCC

· #10 · Dec 13, 2006

prettyboywho said:
Tyson ko3 Rocky will get up from 2 knock downs because he has heart but the 3rd knock down in the round will knock him out.

Hey, Pretty boy! I would say that you got one hellavua imagination. At least I will give you that! (Smiling)

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hhascup

· #11 · Dec 13, 2006

JCC said:
Hey, Pretty boy! I would say that you got one hellavua imagination. At least I will give you that! (Smiling)

JC, many boxing people would agree with prettyboywho. Hank Kaplan, who is one of the Greatest boxing historians living today, says that Tyson in his prime could have beaten any Heavyweight Champion.

I have talked to many people about this and just last week in a Ring #8 board meeting, Tommy Gallagher, of the contender showed a very short film clip of Tyson against Rocky in a "Dream Match" that is suppose to air on TV next September. A lot of boxing people that were there, liked Tyson over Rocky.

I would say that if Tyson did win, he would have to score a knockout in the first 5 rounds. If Rocky got to round #6 without much damage, Rocky would take control.

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JCC

· #12 · Dec 13, 2006 (Edited)

hhascup said:
JC, many boxing people would agree with prettyboywho. Hank Kaplan, who is one of the Greatest boxing historians living today, says that Tyson in his prime could have beaten any Heavyweight Champion.

Sounds to me like he's super impressed with Mike Tyson.

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JCC

· #13 · Dec 13, 2006

hhascup said:
I have talked to many people about this and just last week in a Ring #8 board meeting, Tommy Gallagher, of the contender showed a very short film clip of Tyson against Rocky in a "Dream Match" that is suppose to air on TV next September. A lot of boxing people that were there, liked Tyson over Rocky.

Henry, the fantasy stuff has never appealed to me.

I'm a fan of Rocky's but even his computer fight thing with Ali ... I never had any interest in either. Those kind of things like that I've never had any interest in.

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JCC

· #14 · Dec 13, 2006

hhascup said:
I would say that if Tyson did win, he would have to score a knockout in the first 5 rounds. If Rocky got to round #6 without much damage, Rocky would take control.

Of course, its also possible in being that Mike Tyson's nature is what it is ... that he may would have also gotten frustrated and tryed to bite Rocky's ear off in a clinch ... or to have kicked him in the nuts or something like that and gotten himself disquaified too. (smiling)

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